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Old 01-16-07, 10:43 PM   #109
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woah nelly, don't you think that's going a little too far...
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Where does this idea of yours come from that a single graphics card should be able to run every title at 1920x1200 resolution at 40fps or more while 16xAA is activated?

Can you tell us, please? Because this has never, ever been the case as far as I can remember. If you're so pissed at the way that your setup is running, then there's an easy solution for it. Go SLI.
Yeah I don't understand this guy. All he does is bitch and moan about every little thing in his perception that is not "right", and in nearly every case he is bitching about nothing, because it is the way it is. Nothing is god enough for him. I don't think I have seen a single post by him where he was not complaining about one thing or another. For somebody who knows as much as him, I can't see why he would be like that. I wonder if he works for ATI.

He came on here asking all these questions like a noob, "why does the 8800 AF look terrible", "why does fear perf. suck on the 8800". I helped him out at first until I realized what he was up to.
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If thats your logic, I can write a DOS game that can bring down a QuadCore to its knees... guess they suck as CPUs aswell...

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when did i ever say the 8800 sucks? reading is fundamental
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when did i ever say the 8800 sucks? reading is fundamental
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Yeah I don't understand this guy. All he does is bitch and moan about every little thing in his perception that is not "right", and in nearly every case he is bitching about nothing, because it is the way it is. Nothing is god enough for him. I don't think I have seen a single post by him where he was not complaining about one thing or another. For somebody who knows as much as him, I can't see why he would be like that. I wonder if he works for ATI.

He came on here asking all these questions like a noob, "why does the 8800 AF look terrible", "why does fear perf. suck on the 8800". I helped him out at first until I realized what he was up to.
correction, i was trying to find out why the 8800 was doing angle dependent af, no one here had an answer.

i also asked if fear always tanks in certain areas, as i had never played the game till i got my 8800.
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agreed, but it still brings the 8800 to its knees as an available and popular game
It brings EVERY graphics card to its knees because, like Magus said, it's coded like ass. How you can somehow lay the blame at the hardware with this is beyond me. What's the point of complaining about it? It's not just an issue with the 8800 cards. In the places where the 8800GTX is getting 25-30 fps at your resolution, the 1900XT is getting half that.

Do those cards suck as well? Complain to the programmers if you want to bitch about something.. they're the ones that did a rush job porting it over.
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i never said i expect the 8800 to play every game at 1920 x 1200 with 16x aa, that was you or someone else who said NO CURRENT GAME CAN TEST THE 8800. i simply argued that fact.
Give me a break here icecold, eh? You've been hopping on every other thread discussing the 8800GTX or PC gaming in particular in this forum for the past few weeks bitching about how slow your computer runs some of these games.

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btw in the games i listed i use 4x aa and still hit performance walls.
Outside of Rainbow Six and Oblivion, I just don't see how that's possible. On a single GTX, playing at 1680x1050 and with 16xAA, I got anywhere from 55-60fps on FEAR most of the time. And it was the same for most other games, too. I already showed you what Call of Duty 2 played like at my resolution and 16xAA. But when I did that, you wanted to ramble on and on about what it played like on your system w/ 16xAA enabled. You never even mentioned what it ran like with only 4xAA enabled, so whatever, kid. Don't go sidestepping now acting like 4xAA is now good enough for you.

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teackmania being one. i also want to see the r600 b4 i make the decision to go sli.
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1920 x 1200 isnt a crazy res, even the ps3 supports it in some games, likely to be many games in the future, with no framerate problems.
Yeah, and in order to do that you'll get sh!tty texture resolution and filtering like is plaguing so many of the console titles right now.

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It brings EVERY graphics card to its knees because, like Magus said, it's coded like ass. How you can somehow lay the blame at the hardware with this is beyond me. What's the point of complaining about it? It's not just an issue with the 8800 cards. In the places where the 8800GTX is getting 25-30 fps at your resolution, the 1900XT is getting half that.

Do those cards suck as well? Complain to the programmers if you want to bitch about something.. they're the ones that did a rush job porting it over.
im not laying the blame anywhere, im simply looking at it from game x performs at y speed on the given hardware.

again i never said the 8800 sucked. i just argue against people who go in threads and make ridiculous comments like "it never drop below 60 fps in any game at xhd resolutions"
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Give me a break here icecold, eh? You've been hopping on every other thread discussing the 8800GTX or PC gaming in particular in this forum for the past few weeks bitching about how slow your computer runs some of these games.



Outside of Rainbow Six and Oblivion, I just don't see how that's possible. On a single GTX, playing at 1680x1050 and with 16xAA, I got anywhere from 55-60fps on FEAR most of the time. And it was the same for most other games, too. I already showed you what Call of Duty 2 played like at my resolution and 16xAA. But when I did that, you wanted to ramble on and on about what it played like on your system w/ 16xAA enabled. You never even mentioned what it ran like with only 4xAA enabled, so whatever, kid. Don't go sidestepping now acting like 4xAA is now good enough for you.



Why didn't you just go with a much cheaper single-card motherboard like the Asus P5B Deluxe if that was the case? Why'd you spend the extra 100$ on an SLI motherboard?



Yeah, and in order to do that you'll get sh!tty texture resolution and filtering like is plaguing so many of the console titles right now.

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well first of all its a 30% performance drop just to go to my resolution, then u have the extra around 7%~ cost of aa at the higher res over ur res. so right there thats a sizable drop in performance.

i d/led the cod 2 demo again and gave it a run thru at 1920 x 1200 4x/16x. avg fps was around 44 with drops to the 30s during certain scenes. i never mentioned what it played like on my system with 16x aa, i was just stating how it would likely perform based on how it performs with 4x aa. and i never mentioned or implied that i run my games with 16x aa. please quote the posts where i imply or state such.

and that brings me to my original point, when the 8800 already hits walls on current titles at 1920 x 1200, how do u people expect it to run crysis smoothly at an even higher res?

yes consoles have worse texture filtering and resolution than pcs, but they make up for it with much better lighting, much higher poly counts, better animation, and far more detail in general. crysis will be the first game to surpass the consoles graphically.
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correction, i was trying to find out why the 8800 was doing angle dependent af, no one here had an answer.

i also asked if fear always tanks in certain areas, as i had never played the game till i got my 8800.
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well first of all its a 30% performance drop just to go to my resolution, then u have the extra around 7%~ cost of aa at the higher res over ur res. so right there thats a sizable drop in performance.
Your logic is flawed here. The resolutions just do not scale in the way that you're saying they do.

For instance, look here at the comparison of COD2 ran at the same settings but at different resolutions that are in question here (1920x1200 vs 1600x1200)




62fps for the lower res vs 55 for the higher res. 7/62 = 11% difference in performance, not "30%" as you keep claiming. And that's taking your "AA is tougher at higher res" theory into account, as well. There's just not that big of a difference in performance.

You just don't know what in the hell you're talking about. If your computer is playing Call of Duty 2 at an average of 44 fps then, as I've said all along, you need to learn how to optimize it for better performance.

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i d/led the cod 2 demo again and gave it a run thru at 1920 x 1200 4x/16x. avg fps was around 44 with drops to the 30s during certain scenes.
Then your computer's fubar, because firingsquad got 55fps on average on COD2 w/ an FX-62 paired with an 8800GTX:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ing/page13.asp


And as for your comments about FEAR running like crap on a single 8800GTX?

At 1920x1200 res and 4xAA anandtech got an average of 59fps on a single stock-clocked 8800GTX:


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2873&p=6

Actually, now that I look at it, they were pushing even more pixels than you are (1920x1440) so it even heightens the blow here.


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i never mentioned what it played like on my system with 16x aa, i was just stating how it would likely perform based on how it performs with 4x aa. and i never mentioned or implied that i run my games with 16x aa. please quote the posts where i imply or state such.
Oh, okay. Right here:

"i know cod2 doesnt run at 60 fps at 1920 x 1200 with 16x aa 16x af. and it drops to around 30 regularly."
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...t=84146&page=2

You were saying?

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and that brings me to my original point, when the 8800 already hits walls on current titles at 1920 x 1200, how do u people expect it to run crysis smoothly at an even higher res?
Do you consider an average of "59fps" like the 8800GTX plays FEAR at your res "hitting a wall?" That's my original point; you're overexaggerating. Either your computer is seriously screwed up or you just enjoy lying out of both sides of your mouth for attention.

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yes consoles have worse texture filtering and resolution than pcs, but they make up for it with much better lighting, much higher poly counts, better animation, and far more detail in general. crysis will be the first game to surpass the consoles graphically.
Ridiculous. Dark Messiah and Oblivion on the 8800GTX look better than any game I've seen on the consoles. I even played Lost Planet on the 360 the same day I installed Dark Messiah for the first time and couldn't believe how low-res and jaggied the textures on the 360 looked by comparison.

Dark Messiah:


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You're nuts.
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Your logic is flawed here. The resolutions just do not scale in the way that you're saying they do.

For instance, look here at the comparison of COD2 ran at the same settings but at different resolutions that are in question here (1920x1200 vs 1600x1200)

62fps for the lower res vs 55 for the higher res. 7/62 = 11% difference in performance, not "30%" as you keep claiming. And that's taking your "AA is tougher at higher res" theory into account, as well. There's just not that big of a difference in performance.

You just don't know what in the hell you're talking about. If your computer is playing Call of Duty 2 at an average of 44 fps then, as I've said all along, you need to learn how to optimize it for better performance.



Then your computer's f*cked, because firingsquad got 55fps on average on COD2 w/ an FX-62 paired with an 8800GTX:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ing/page13.asp

And as for your comments about FEAR running like crap on a single 8800GTX?

At 1920x1200 res and 4xAA anandtech got an average of 59fps on a single stock-clocked 8800GTX:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2873&p=6


Oh, okay. Right here:

"i know cod2 doesnt run at 60 fps at 1920 x 1200 with 16x aa 16x af. and it drops to around 30 regularly."
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...t=84146&page=2

You were saying?



Do you consider an average of "59fps" like the 8800GTX plays FEAR at your res "hitting a wall?" That's my original point; you're overexaggerating. Either your computer is seriously screwed up or you just enjoy lying out of both sides of your mouth for attention.



Ridiculous. Dark Messiah on the 8800GTX looks better than any game I've seen on the consoles. I even played Lost Planet on the 360 the same day I installed Dark Messiah for the first time and couldn't believe how low-res and jaggied the textures on the 360 looked by comparison.

Dark Messiah:

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You're nuts.
u dont know what stage firingsquads demo is, until u do u cant draw any conclusions that my comp is screwed. what u can conclude is that no way in hell does the game run at 60 fps with 16x aa at 1920 x 1200.

yeah my AVG fps on fear is high too, its the extreme lows i have an issue with, and apparently so does hardocp as they have replicated it over multiple reviews/systems.

ur right, cod 2 doesnt run at 60 fps with 16x aa 16x af at 1920 x 1200, thats what i was saying and i stand by it. it does drop to 30 regularly, it drops to the 30s even with 4x aa.

u picked a terrible screen to show off console graphics tho.

heres some screens with fps counters on, 1920 x 1200 with 4/16.





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