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Old 05-01-07, 07:50 PM   #121
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With support for newer cards I mean the changelogs of their new drivers take a glance.
They mention only some new cards that work with them. And ATI driver works without XGL (there is a setup as I said from beryl's forum)
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Old 05-01-07, 08:13 PM   #122
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Oh really!? Thanks a lot my friend for telling me a prick!
If you think that just a few words is good response then allow me to tell you that you are an idiot!!
If you are working for Nvidia tell us to know!
First, looking to most of your posts on this thread I think you should be quite a lot more thankful to nvidia corp members to be patient enough to answer your questions

Second, if you can't understand that Beryl is UNSTABLE (along with the whole meaning of the word) then you should be using Windows, Mac, or stable versions of your software. If you're not willing to admit that testing software is going to break sooner or later (that's why they put test releases, for people to test and tell bugs to developers) then stop breaking balls to people and use another WM that's been labeled as stable .

Third, if you can't understand either that fixing a problem in a driver is not like fixing a loosing tap, then you shouldn't even have a PC, or even better, fix it yourself. As long as you don't have ANY idea of the complex of the problem in the inner structure of the driver, you should shut your mouth and wait patiently as we do all the other users.
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Old 05-01-07, 08:54 PM   #123
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First, looking to most of your posts on this thread I think you should be quite a lot more thankful to nvidia corp members to be patient enough to answer your questions

Second, if you can't understand that Beryl is UNSTABLE (along with the whole meaning of the word) then you should be using Windows, Mac, or stable versions of your software. If you're not willing to admit that testing software is going to break sooner or later (that's why they put test releases, for people to test and tell bugs to developers) then stop breaking balls to people and use another WM that's been labeled as stable .

Third, if you can't understand either that fixing a problem in a driver is not like fixing a loosing tap, then you shouldn't even have a PC, or even better, fix it yourself. As long as you don't have ANY idea of the complex of the problem in the inner structure of the driver, you should shut your mouth and wait patiently as we do all the other users.
Understand something and not judge like that! They are a company that sells graphic cards, so they have the obligation to support them well in any situation and system!
If they cannot follow the changes they can make a move like intel did and as far as I know their open drivers work excellent with the UNSTABLE beryl! So don't break my balls with craps like these!!!
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Understand something and not judge like that! They are a company that sells graphic cards, so they have the obligation to support them well in any situation and system!
If they cannot follow the changes they can make a move like intel did and as far as I know their open drivers work excellent with the UNSTABLE beryl! So don't break my balls with craps like these!!!
And they do support them. It's just that fixing bugs is not something that happens instantly, takes time to reproduce the bug and guess what's causing it, and then fix it without breaking anything else. Also they don't have just one open bug to solve at a time, so developers must work on a lot of different bugs. It's just a matter of being patient. If you just can't wait or don't want to, don't use Beryl and your problems will be gone. But breaking balls to developers like you do is not gonna help anyway.
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Old 05-02-07, 03:32 AM   #125
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Please, if possible continue this moral struggle in private. It won't fix anything except your attitude. Thank you. I think they already admitted that it's an nvidia driver bug. So it's not about how unstable beryl is...
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Old 05-02-07, 03:42 AM   #126
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With support for newer cards I mean the changelogs of their new drivers take a glance.
They mention only some new cards that work with them. And ATI driver works without XGL (there is a setup as I said from beryl's forum)
My last comment on the matter because you are clearly a lost cause...

The fglrx driver from ATI will not allow beryl to run without Xgl. The open source 'radeon' driver (which ATI has nothing to do with), does.

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Old 05-02-07, 12:27 PM   #127
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Hi all,

I found some kind of workaround for the black window bug. On my system, I can work about an hour before the black window bug starts. I found a way to refresh my beryl (or whatever) so that the bug disappears again, without having to close all my X applications.
Perhaps it is absolutely useless to you, I did not read all of this thread.
Ok, here it comes:

1. When the black windows appear, switch back to KWin Window Manager.

2. switching back to beryl now would result in black windows again, so we have to do something refreshing now: Start a new x-server inside the current one, and immediately exit it again. Right now i do this by starting doom3 through xgame and exiting doom3. Here you see, that this workaround is still in construction/discovery phase, before I would write a fancy automated script (that does not start some game).
If you do not want to use xgame, read this information:
I searched for the core of xgame, and found, that it executes:
startx -- :1
Note, that this startx command is executed from a running X environment.
We should start X with a very simple .xinitrc, so that no big WM like KDE gets loaded. Perhaps with another dummy user that has the simple .xinitrc in his home.

3. right now we are in KWin again. now switch back to beryl, and the black windows should be gone.
Problem here is, that all the windows are on the same desktop now.
You have to restart bdm too.

I know, that this workaround seems pretty complicated and yet has some problems. But perhaps you would like to improve it.

Question: is there a scripting way, to switch from beryl to kwin and back? Can i control beryl(-manager) by script?

PS: please excuse my english
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Old 05-02-07, 01:36 PM   #128
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micman, thanks for sharing, however I find minimizing windows easyier, but still annoying. I have a 6600gt with 128MB ram and with a desktop resolution 1600x1200 I get black screen right when I launch second fullscreen window (e.g. opera and amarok), but if I first minimize opera and then launch amarok, everything is fine. But minimizing windows as you launch new one is not a pleasurable thing. I just wish Nvidia would give more details about bugs that are known, being fixed...
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Old 05-02-07, 01:44 PM   #129
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micman - Thanks for playing with this. I was closing all apps then restarting the X server with ctrl-alt-backspace. I'm guessing that the reason both of these approaches work is that restarting X also reinitializes/resets the card's SDRAM. I wonder if there isn't a command or tiny executable program available that will reinitialize/reset the card's SDRAM without restarting X or closing all existing windows. It would have to be assigned to a keyboard shortcut as any menu window brought up at that point would be black and unusable. As you learned, starting up a game that uses the card's 3D acceleration capabilities does this, but I'm thinking that either there is a smaller program that can do the same thing or perhaps someone could write a small utility for that purpose. It would be nice if such a reinitialize/reset were available in the NVIDIA configuration utility in Linux. I'll poke around Google and see what I can turn up.
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Old 05-02-07, 03:53 PM   #130
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The following seems a bit off-topic to me, but you should know.
While playing around with beryl, I often had to restart my system, because the screen was frozen, and keyboard was not working anymore. To avoid having to restart the system, I found a way to escape from the frozen X by using the acpi event of the power button to change to virtual terminal 2.

On my gentoo system I had to do following modifications:

1. edit /etc/acpi/events, so that it looks like:
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event=.*
#action=/etc/acpi/default.sh %e
action=chvt 2
...

2. then restart the acpid daemon:
/etc/init.d/acpid restart


Now by pressing the power button, you will get to virtual terminal 2. killall X will save you some time now.

I have to ask again: does anyone know of a way to script beryl behavior?. I want to change the window manager remotely from script.
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I have to ask again: does anyone know of a way to script beryl behavior?. I want to change the window manager remotely from script.
DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace &

That should kill beryl and launch metacity, though it depends on where the script is being run from and if the X server allows remote connections.

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Old 05-02-07, 07:39 PM   #132
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Guys forgive me for being so aggressive yesterday I just lost control!!

For ATI comm. driver adam said I tried today to use the latest one without XGL and somehow it worked (in xorg.0.log said AIGLX enabled but in another place of the log it said about an unresolved symbol fglrx_dri had and then said AIGLX would be in software mode...strange...) And also the guy from beryl was talking about proprietary ATI drivers that's why I wrote it.

Nvidia just fix the bug in a logical time plane cause my workaround is ok for the moment but it makes the <<unstable>> beryl even more unstable.
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