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Old 03-29-07, 10:13 PM   #13
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Last time I checked, the ApogeeGT and D-Tek Fuzion were kings of the hill.. I haven't heard anything about the MP-05. Then again, I haven't browsed the forums over there much the last few weeks.
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I like Petra's, but you can get a good pump for a lot cheaper than that. Newegg has the Swiftech MCP350 for 57.19$:
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that is the same pump I suggested,only difference is that pump's native tube support is 3/8. We dont want to confuse Tiki just keep it all 1/2. Petras pump top will make it natively support 1/2 and is a performance booster.
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that is the same pump I suggested,only difference is that pump's native tube support is 3/8. We dont want to confuse Tiki just keep it all 1/2. Petras pump top will make it natively support 1/2 and is a performance booster.
I know it's the same pump. Who says he needs 1/2" for just a CPU? I don't even use 1/2" with all I've got.. it's not really needed. 3/8" would be plenty for just a CPU unless he just wants larger tubing.

I saw your graph from vr-zone, but I'd like to see further testing. Sometimes those places will only run 1-2 tests which can differ just from the way the block is mounted. That's why I liked reading all the tests on Xtremesystems. Those guys tested the blocks 7-8 times before a conclusion was made.
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Old 03-29-07, 10:23 PM   #15
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I wouldn't touch the Freezone 2 with a ten foot pole. Its probably sucks twice as bad as the original

Tiki, WC is basically super low maintenance. Setting it up in my case was a breeze and required no case modifications at all. When something new comes around that really pushes your loop to the limit you can upgrade it by adding a stronger pump or a better radiator whereas with the freezone you are looking dropping $400 for a new unit that so far is unproven to replace your current one that couldn't cut it.

Sooner or later you will give in and become one of us

I use all 3/8" ID 1/2" OD Tygon 3606 tubing, have the MCP350 pump, MCR220 Radiator and Apogee GT block. That Liang DDC pump is overpriced and 1/2" ID vs 3/8" ID really makes no difference for just cooling a cpu. Heck, even in larger loops I don't see much a difference.

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^ guys I was just doing a quick $300 dollar water cooling build. it was not meant to be definitively versatile. Since Tiki likely has limited space in his TJ09 he will need a smaller Rad and thus must make up for it somehow.

1/2 tube gives more flow. simple as that. The difference is not *huge* per se, but if you ever move to cool your GPUs (the onboard hsf can get rather loud) then you will need that extra pump power and flow.

EDIT two things i forgot:

fillport
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T-line
(or a res, but Tline would consume less space.
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res would be easier to bleed tho

For as much as that pump costs I'd get a MCP655 Swiftech MCR220 fits fine in the case, if you get creative you could fit a PA120.2
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The one thing though... a Freezone looks a lot nicer/cleaner than a watercooling set-up (there are some out there that look really nice, but in general...) IMO...
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The one thing though... a Freezone looks a lot nicer/cleaner than a watercooling set-up (there are some out there that look really nice, but in general...) IMO...
depends on how you mount it.. for example...



you can't see crap, I don't like how it blocks the view. Has blue liquid, tubing is coiled, nothing I haven't seen before on a WC setup

so what makes it look better?
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Ben, the only reason I spoke up is because it seemed your suggestions were a bit overkill for his situation. I'm not trying to 1-up you or anything. I agree, of course, that if he plans on WC'ng his GPUs down the road that 1/2" and the pump/radiator combo you suggested would be a better idea. But he's coming from a Freezone which only cooled the CPU, anyway, and hasn't mentioned anything about cooling his G80s. For just a CPU, Petra's pump, 1/2" tubing and a Thermochill PA 120.2 are overkill and an unnecessary waste of money, and so is Tygon. 3/8" is more than sufficient for a one-block loop. It hasn't even been proven, that I've seen anyway, that 1/2" really affects temps all that much.

Then again, this cost-effective approach is coming from a guy that spent $189 on an Iwaki pump.

The truth is that there are extremities in the WC'ng world for you to sink your money into just like everything else. I guess when someone asks for suggestions I'm always coming up with the most cost-effective thing because I refuse to go that route myself.

Tiki, Ben's suggestions are good if you think you might want to cool more than your CPU in the future. If not, then you could save a lot of money by not going so extreme. In fact, if you decide to go the cheaper route, then I think you should buy that kit that LORD linked you to over at jab-tech for less than 220$ that had the ApogeeGT in it. But if you decide to get the kit then make sure you get some DD hi-flow brass barbs and steel worm-drive clamps from Petras. Don't use the plastic stuff.
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Ben, the only reason I spoke up is because it seemed your suggestions were a bit overkill for his situation. I'm not trying to 1-up you or anything.
Its all good. I just made those suggestiosn because that is the stuff I have first hand experience with - and it kicks ass - and it fit the 300 dollar pricetag of the Freezone.
its best if someone absorbs all the suggestions and then makes judgement. Of course xtremesystems is the place to start.
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The one thing though... a Freezone looks a lot nicer/cleaner than a watercooling set-up (there are some out there that look really nice, but in general...) IMO...
Nah, no way. When done right, there's no comparison.





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