Vista games optimising

grey_1 · 04-02-07, 09:20 AM

ltobias originally posted this, which is why I'm quoting his post first. Credit goes to him for this tweak, and to Greeno and nekrosoft13 for their help. This whole thing is re-edited over and over to try and consolidate tips and such...I'm just trying to get it all in one place.

So there may be changes here and there as folks add tips and clarifications.

Once more - This isn't my tweak, and I don't understand it all. Use at your own risk, ymmv. Do not shoot the messenger please!

It started as a STALKER fix, but it appears to work with several games under several drivers, with both 64 and 32 bit. There is an extra step involved with 32bit...so read on and good luck.

This first part is all that's needed for 64bit Vista. This is ltobias' original quote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ltobias

No problem with Stalker and Vista64.

I'm only using this trick:

You need the explorer ( http://www.ntcore.com/exsuite.php )

You open with this explorer the XR_3DA.exe in the bin folder from stalker.

On the left side you will find "NT Header/File Header". Click on File Header.

On the right side click on "click here".

Now you need to enable "App can handle> 2gb adressest " and to save.

I recommend to backup the XR_3DA.exe befor editing.

Leif

Now Greenos quote, he posted this to me because I'm a n00b at this and needed help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greeno

Now, I don't have S.T.A.L.K.E.R

But :-

"Now comes the additionally part for Vista32:

You have to go to start-program-equipment. Now you have to right click on input-request and start as Administrator.

Equals - "Start --> All Programs --> Accessories --> Run (As Administrator) It's important it says "This task will be created with administritive privileges"
Now enter: bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072

Simply paste :- bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072 and click run, you'll see a black screen pop up and disappear again quickly... reboot and you should be set... it's kinda like using the /3GB switch in XP.

After that you have to restart Vista. This is important!

He also wrotes:

The adress area for windows maschines is short and this trick only helps applications that are prepared to use more than 2 GB. Like the trick with "App can handle> 2gb adressest". You should only use the trick for exceptional cases."

- Hope that helps, although, perhaps it's the second part you're struggling with?

For me so far, confirmed on..

-STALKER
-FEAR
-UT2004
-Unreal 2

EDIT: Using Vista HP32bit
2 gigs ram
games patched to latest version
Seeing both increased fps, no crashes.

Second Edit: A quick guide with pics.

Here goes..

1.) First thing I did was download explorer here.

2.)After unzipping it and running the CFF Explorer.exe you'll see this.

Back up your .exe FIRST!!

3.)Click on the folder icon and navigate to your XR_3DA.exe.
It will be in C:\Program Files\THQ\STALKER\bin.

4.)Click on it, and when Explorer open it you'll see this.

5.)Click on File header, then to the right, where it says 'Click here'

You should get this.

6.)Check 'App can handle >2gb addressest.

7.)Close out of all and reboot.

This is all you need for 64bit Vista. Read on for the last step for 32bit.

On Home Premium I do not have an admin option for my run command. I did this, but if you have a better way, follow the tut above and please post your way.

a.) Go to Start>All programs>Accessories> and rt click cmd prompt, and run as administrator.

b.) Enter..minus quotes "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072"

c.) Hit enter and reboot.

These following are a quick tip and a small explanation of this fix, thanks guys.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silencerelite

I should mention this, for anyone who uses Business edition of Vista, you may won't find run program so just type cmd in search bar from start menu and type "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072" and click enter. It should say "The operation completed successfully." Then restart. That will work for any editions actually.

Thanks silencerelite!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ginfest

Windows "normally" uses 2GB (2048) as the "boundary" between how much virtual memory is avail to the OS and and apps (4GB in a 32-bit system)
To reset to default run "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 2048" in Vista-in XP just remove the "/3GB" switch from the line in the "Boot.ini" file

Thanks ginfest!

This did it for me, hope it helps you.

nekrosoft13 · 04-02-07, 09:26 AM

same tweak reduced stutter in NFS Most Wanted for me

Game :- Need For Speed Most Wanted Black
Version : - 1.3 North America release
RAM total :- 2GB
x64 (64-bit) Vista
Notes :- Improvement,Reduces stuttering

nekrosoft13 · 04-02-07, 09:38 AM

hey grey

i would re-write the information (tutorial), and maybe add some pics of steps. Some people might get little confused.

DarkOneX · 04-02-07, 09:47 AM

What I find odd is I did this on Stalker and I get no change, still runs like 5fps when I step outside. Also tried it in Fear Combat hoping this would fix the bizarre random slowdown in that game but it didn't help there either. Why would this be?

nekrosoft13 · 04-02-07, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkOneX

What I find odd is I did this on Stalker and I get no change, still runs like 5fps when I step outside. Also tried it in Fear Combat hoping this would fix the bizarre random slowdown in that game but it didn't help there either. Why would this be?

weird, really weird, do you have G15 keyboard?
There is a problem with logitech G15 driver, that LCDmedia.exe runs in background and takes about 50-70% CPU cycles.

i have
AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.6ghz
2gb OCZ DDR500
Asus A8N-SLI Premium
8800GTX
X-Fi
rest doesn't matter

running stalker at 1680x1050 with everything in stalker to absolute max. In nvidia control panel i have AA set to Application (max set in stalker options) and forced 16xAF in Nvidia control panel.

So far FPS hasn't dropped below 30FPS

NaitoSan · 04-02-07, 09:53 AM

I should mention this, for anyone who uses Business edition of Vista, you may won't find run program so just type cmd in search bar from start menu and type "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072" and click enter. It should say "The operation completed successfully." Then restart. That will work for any editions actually.

crainger · 04-02-07, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkOneX

What I find odd is I did this on Stalker and I get no change, still runs like 5fps when I step outside. Also tried it in Fear Combat hoping this would fix the bizarre random slowdown in that game but it didn't help there either. Why would this be?

You didn't do this right OR the fix mightn't help everyone. More testing is needed, but I can confirm it makes a huge difference in Stalker, but when I tried with the Sims 2 it crashed (With the same BSoD the tricked fixed for Stalker

)

DarkOneX · 04-02-07, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

weird, really weird, do you have G15 keyboard?
There is a problem with logitech G15 driver, that LCDmedia.exe runs in background and takes about 50-70% CPU cycles.

Ya I do and yes I know that but I kill that process upon reboot first thing, so that's not the issue.

DarkOneX · 04-02-07, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crainger

You didn't do this right OR the fix mightn't help everyone. More testing is needed, but I can confirm it makes a huge difference in Stalker, but when I tried with the Sims 2 it crashed (With the same BSoD the tricked fixed for Stalker

)

I definitely did it right, it's easy as cake, so must not work for everybody, possibly Vista64 peeps?

Greeno · 04-02-07, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkOneX

I definitely did it right, it's easy as cake, so must not work for everybody, possibly Vista64 peeps?

Well, Grey is on 32-bit and Nekro is on 64-bit...

I agree we're still a little "rough round the edges" but I think we can definately compile a decent enough list, even if it's just .ini editing for some games.

nekrosoft13 · 04-02-07, 10:49 AM

to bad that this already changed from "list" to another "help me" topic

Greeno · 04-02-07, 10:54 AM

True..

Perhaps we need a drawing board of sorts we can bounce ideas off and test first and then we can finalise something with screen caps of "how-to" as well?

04-02-07, 09:26 AM	#2
nekrosoft13 I'm Geralt Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicagoland, once a year in Poland Posts: 22,333	Re: Vista games optimising same tweak reduced stutter in NFS Most Wanted for me Game :- Need For Speed Most Wanted Black Version : - 1.3 North America release RAM total :- 2GB x64 (64-bit) Vista Notes :- Improvement,Reduces stuttering __________________ Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum 195.62 = NeKro Certified driver, thats better than WHQL System Specs Say no to ketchup, use mustard

04-02-07, 09:38 AM	#3
nekrosoft13 I'm Geralt Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicagoland, once a year in Poland Posts: 22,333	Re: Vista games optimising hey grey i would re-write the information (tutorial), and maybe add some pics of steps. Some people might get little confused. __________________ Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum 195.62 = NeKro Certified driver, thats better than WHQL System Specs Say no to ketchup, use mustard

04-02-07, 09:47 AM	#4
DarkOneX Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kansas Posts: 302	Re: Vista games optimising What I find odd is I did this on Stalker and I get no change, still runs like 5fps when I step outside. Also tried it in Fear Combat hoping this would fix the bizarre random slowdown in that game but it didn't help there either. Why would this be? __________________ Intel Q9650 @ 3.3Ghz Asus P5B Deluxe 4GB Corsair XMS PC2-6400C5 DDR2 XFX GeForce GTX 285 @ 700/1500/2500 Soundblaster X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS (2X) WD Black 1TB SATA2 HDDs (2x) Seagate 750GB SATA2 HDDs Samsung SH-S203N 20X SATA DVD-RW Corsair HX620 psu Lian Li PC60+ case 24" Dell U2410 LCD + 20" Dell 2007FP LCD Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

04-02-07, 09:53 AM	#6
NaitoSan Student @ DigiPen Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,356	Re: Vista games optimising I should mention this, for anyone who uses Business edition of Vista, you may won't find run program so just type cmd in search bar from start menu and type "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072" and click enter. It should say "The operation completed successfully." Then restart. That will work for any editions actually. __________________ 17-inch MacBook Pro: Unibody \| Intel Core 2 T9800 @ 2.93GHz \| Nvidia 9400M GT / 9600M GT 512MB GDDR3 \| 320GB 7200RPM SATA \| 4GB DDR3 PC1066 \| Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard \| Windows 7 Professional x64 Desktop: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.6GHz \| ASUS P5K Deluxe/WiFi-AP \| 4GB G.Skill F2-6400PHU1 @ 800MHz 4-4-3-5 \| EVGA GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB \| Western Digital Raptor X 150GB \| Samsung 32" HDTV \| Windows 7 Professional x64 Note: English is my second language so please bear with my grammar!

04-02-07, 10:49 AM	#11
nekrosoft13 I'm Geralt Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicagoland, once a year in Poland Posts: 22,333	Re: Vista games optimising to bad that this already changed from "list" to another "help me" topic __________________ Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum 195.62 = NeKro Certified driver, thats better than WHQL System Specs Say no to ketchup, use mustard

04-02-07, 10:54 AM	#12
Greeno Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 200	Re: Vista games optimising True.. Perhaps we need a drawing board of sorts we can bounce ideas off and test first and then we can finalise something with screen caps of "how-to" as well?

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