Go Back   nV News Forums > Hardware Forums > CPUs, Motherboards And Memory

Newegg Daily Deals

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-04-07, 06:47 PM   #1
XDanger
Whaaat?
 
XDanger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,723
Default 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/04/...tching_matter/

Toms can go suck my .... but anything that validates my hardware choice is always fine by me.
edit: by the way I did'nt go there on purpose
__________________
2500K 4.4ghz,P8P67Pro,120gb Force3, 12gb Vengeance,R9290,TX850v2,W7HP,LaCie Blue 22" crt COMMODORE 64 Silver Label 1Mhz/128D 4Mhz(Z80)
XDanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-07, 07:53 PM   #2
Xion X2
Registered User
 
Xion X2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: U.S.
Posts: 6,701
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

Tom's hardware is an absolute effin joke. It is the cess pool of the internet.
__________________

i7-2700k @ 5.0 GHz
Nvidia GeForce 570 2.5GB Tri-SLI
Asus P67 WS Revolution (Tri-SLI)
OCZ Vertex SSD x 4 (Raid 5)
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 @ 1600MHz
PC Power & Cooling 950W PSU
Xion X2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-07, 08:30 PM   #3
buffbiff21
*B4NNED*
 
buffbiff21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 2,002
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

What's wrong with their CPU and GPU charts??
__________________
GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
buffbiff21 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-07, 08:51 PM   #4
LORD-eX-Bu
Horus the pointy master
 
LORD-eX-Bu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Posts: 4,609
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

intel has the best chipsets FTW!
__________________
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=171&dateline=12152329  84
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!
LORD-eX-Bu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-07, 12:23 AM   #5
Blacklash
8^9^3
 
Blacklash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Old Vizima
Posts: 3,679
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

If you feel you must get something now, P965 is a very good choice. If you want to wait a while grab the upcoming Intel Bearlake X38.

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5947.html
__________________
Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.96GHz (1.36v)|Mushkin 998681 XP3-12800 (3x2GB)
ASUS TUF Sabertooth (X58)|ASUS GTX 580 DirectCU II (980|4604)|ASUS PA246Q
WD VelociRaptor 150GB HD (x2)|Pioneer DVR-2920Q|LG GH22LS30|Klipsch PM20 2.0
SilverStone OP1000-E|SilverStone TJ10-B|Thermalright U-120 Extreme|Win 7 HP x64
Blacklash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-07, 12:51 AM   #6
LORD-eX-Bu
Horus the pointy master
 
LORD-eX-Bu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Posts: 4,609
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

so.. X38 should be like 975s replacement and G35 should be 965s replacement right?
__________________
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=171&dateline=12152329  84
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!
LORD-eX-Bu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-07, 02:45 AM   #7
Blacklash
8^9^3
 
Blacklash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Old Vizima
Posts: 3,679
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

Quote:
Originally Posted by LORD-eX-Bu
so.. X38 should be like 975s replacement and G35 should be 965s replacement right?
I believe it's X38 replaces 975x and P35 replaces P965. Beerlake ftw! erm... um Bearlake.
__________________
Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.96GHz (1.36v)|Mushkin 998681 XP3-12800 (3x2GB)
ASUS TUF Sabertooth (X58)|ASUS GTX 580 DirectCU II (980|4604)|ASUS PA246Q
WD VelociRaptor 150GB HD (x2)|Pioneer DVR-2920Q|LG GH22LS30|Klipsch PM20 2.0
SilverStone OP1000-E|SilverStone TJ10-B|Thermalright U-120 Extreme|Win 7 HP x64
Blacklash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-07, 09:29 AM   #8
Xion X2
Registered User
 
Xion X2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: U.S.
Posts: 6,701
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

Quote:
Originally Posted by buffbiff21
What's wrong with their CPU and GPU charts??
If you spent 5 minutes on their forums, you would see what's wrong with them. They have immature kids writing their articles that wouldn't know a good CPU from their #*!

They also believe taking single FPS samples from games instead of an overall average is more effective in gauging performance. Before I left there the last time one of their writers specifically mentioned thinking this was a "good idea."

Just check out a few of these gems from a recent topic I participated in over there for a good laugh. This was all in regards to a debate that was going on where most of them refused to acknowledge you would be bottlenecking an 8800GTX with a weaker processor like an Athlon X2 3800+ @ 2.0gHz compared to a Core2Duo @ 3.0gHz:

Quote:
Originally Posted by StrangeStranger
average FPS mean very little in most cases and there meaning is non existant in this topic. a would bet that any difference in minimum FPS will be little or non existant[between processors].
Quote:
Originally Posted by StrangeStranger
average fps means nothing to how a game play.
Quote:
Originally Posted by YourMothersAnAstronaut
If your point was that there would be a bottleneck, but not a perceptible one, then why didn't you say that earlier?
This guy above came back at me with that after posting this benchmark representing a 26fps difference in performance on an 8800GTX between a 3800+ X2 and an E6700 at stock speed. This below, a 34% difference in performance, is what he calls "not perceptible":



Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleeve
Seems like if you're going to be playing at high resolutions with eye candy, the processor isn't that much of a bottleneck at all...
That guy Cleeve is a writer for Tom's and refused to acknowledge the 34% performance increase in going to an E6700 from an X2 3800+ on a single GTX in the benchmarks I provided him with at 1600 resolution. He also disagreed with the fact that filtering and AA do not make the G80s take much of a performance hit at 1600 resolution despite what you'll see from these graphs here:





Instead, he chose to believe that if you enabled those features on that benchmark that I provided showing an E6700 with a 34% performance lead over the X2 3800+, it would even them out to where there was a very meager difference, which is bologna.

As for the rest of them, they bow down to their cronie moderators/writers as if they were gods and knew everything about computers, when the reality is that they don't know #*!~. Case in point:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Farhang
HooHoo Yeah Baby!
Wow, Cleeve, you melt me...
death has arrived for those who stood against us
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/8800-...ict230573.html

The place is an effing joke. I still remember that one benchmark I read that had the 1900GT on equal footing with a 7950GX2. Classic.

Sorry to get things off-topic; I was responding to buff's question about Tom's hardware.
__________________

i7-2700k @ 5.0 GHz
Nvidia GeForce 570 2.5GB Tri-SLI
Asus P67 WS Revolution (Tri-SLI)
OCZ Vertex SSD x 4 (Raid 5)
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 @ 1600MHz
PC Power & Cooling 950W PSU
Xion X2 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old 04-05-07, 10:37 PM   #9
Blacklash
8^9^3
 
Blacklash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Old Vizima
Posts: 3,679
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

It would be nice if nVidia and Intel would work something out and I don't see it happening. I suppose an alternative would be to pick up the 8950 when it is released.

We know SLi is not working well under Vista. I can't remember if the GX2 style cards are completely broken in Vista. It may only operate as a single GPU. If it works as two then I'd be set.

Right now I don't feel the need for the push of two GPUs. If I do upgrade my monitor and change my mind I suppose I could go with the 8950. Time will tell.
__________________
Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.96GHz (1.36v)|Mushkin 998681 XP3-12800 (3x2GB)
ASUS TUF Sabertooth (X58)|ASUS GTX 580 DirectCU II (980|4604)|ASUS PA246Q
WD VelociRaptor 150GB HD (x2)|Pioneer DVR-2920Q|LG GH22LS30|Klipsch PM20 2.0
SilverStone OP1000-E|SilverStone TJ10-B|Thermalright U-120 Extreme|Win 7 HP x64
Blacklash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-07, 08:44 AM   #10
Xion X2
Registered User
 
Xion X2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: U.S.
Posts: 6,701
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

Last I'd heard, the GX2s were functioning on a single GPU in Vista, but I *think* the last driver released fixed 7-series SLI in Vista, didn't it?

Don't know for certain because I have little reason to keep up w/ the 7-series anymore.
__________________

i7-2700k @ 5.0 GHz
Nvidia GeForce 570 2.5GB Tri-SLI
Asus P67 WS Revolution (Tri-SLI)
OCZ Vertex SSD x 4 (Raid 5)
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 @ 1600MHz
PC Power & Cooling 950W PSU
Xion X2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-07, 09:33 PM   #11
XDanger
Whaaat?
 
XDanger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,723
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

the difference between 54 fps and 76 fps IS imperceptible if your monitor only does 60hz .
(which it seems it what most people who upload to steam run theirs at,theres some wierd numbers in there)
__________________
2500K 4.4ghz,P8P67Pro,120gb Force3, 12gb Vengeance,R9290,TX850v2,W7HP,LaCie Blue 22" crt COMMODORE 64 Silver Label 1Mhz/128D 4Mhz(Z80)
XDanger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-07, 10:20 PM   #12
Xion X2
Registered User
 
Xion X2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: U.S.
Posts: 6,701
Default Re: 965 (i dont want to use it but) FTW

^ Only if you run vsync, which most people don't.

I do run vsync, however, and I can tell the difference when my frames are below 60. Games aren't as smooth.
__________________

i7-2700k @ 5.0 GHz
Nvidia GeForce 570 2.5GB Tri-SLI
Asus P67 WS Revolution (Tri-SLI)
OCZ Vertex SSD x 4 (Raid 5)
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 @ 1600MHz
PC Power & Cooling 950W PSU
Xion X2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 1998 - 2014, nV News.