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Old 04-19-07, 11:01 AM   #13
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$300 for just a BD player???

I'll wait until prices fall to around $150.
its better than the current cheapest BD player (PS3)

there is one out there for less than a PS3 (Samsung BD-P1000). still steep cost.
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Old 04-19-07, 11:35 AM   #14
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its better than the current cheapest BD player (PS3)

there is one out there for less than a PS3 (Samsung BD-P1000). still steep cost.
I already said this.


ANd most people concerned with BD/HD DVD playback already have a computer that is more than capable of handling it, so it's a moot point.

That's like complaining that you have to spend a ~$1000 on a decent HDTV and more money for surround sound in order to have a stand-alone player of either.

If you didn't have the capability for the most out of the player, you wouldn't be considering it anyway.
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Old 04-19-07, 12:04 PM   #15
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I don't know what the big deal is with wanting to use Blu Ray for backups. IMO, the best way to back up a ton of data is to fill a hard drive and then stick it on a shelf somewhere.

Most 10-15 year old hard drives I've seen still work just fine. I've seen hard drives that survived a house fire (with the majority of the PC case melted) and the data was recovered easily. I'd love to see an optical disk or a tape hold up to that.

You can buy a 120Gb Seagate 7200.9 SATA drive with a 5 year warranty for a measly $52:
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I bought a 320gig 7200.10 with an ESATA enclosure and I have 320Gb of backup space that can be written pretty much infinitely, is guaranteed to be defect free for 5 years, is faster than most internal drives and can withstand quite a bit of abuse if disaster ever strikes my house. All that about 1\7th the price of a blue ray burner (not including the $100 it'd cost you to get 320Gb of Blu-Ray disks).

*shrug*

I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something.

I used to back up on DVDs, but honestly it was a pain in the ass, and if those disks ever took any minor damage they would be worthless. I can't imagine doing that with several hundred gigs of data on the line...
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Old 04-19-07, 03:22 PM   #16
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Considering that a 25GB blank BD-R runs for 24.00$CDN (BB), it would still be cheaper to buy a 100GB HD for every single backup. Provided that you backup at least 100GB
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Old 04-19-07, 05:11 PM   #17
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I don't know what the big deal is with wanting to use Blu Ray for backups. IMO, the best way to back up a ton of data is to fill a hard drive and then stick it on a shelf somewhere.

Most 10-15 year old hard drives I've seen still work just fine. I've seen hard drives that survived a house fire (with the majority of the PC case melted) and the data was recovered easily. I'd love to see an optical disk or a tape hold up to that.

You can buy a 120Gb Seagate 7200.9 SATA drive with a 5 year warranty for a measly $52:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148161


I bought a 320gig 7200.10 with an ESATA enclosure and I have 320Gb of backup space that can be written pretty much infinitely, is guaranteed to be defect free for 5 years, is faster than most internal drives and can withstand quite a bit of abuse if disaster ever strikes my house. All that about 1\7th the price of a blue ray burner (not including the $100 it'd cost you to get 320Gb of Blu-Ray disks).

*shrug*

I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something.

I used to back up on DVDs, but honestly it was a pain in the ass, and if those disks ever took any minor damage they would be worthless. I can't imagine doing that with several hundred gigs of data on the line...
At present time, sure this discs are way too expensive. I do keep a lot of important stuff on HD's, but I also have a lot of other garbage that it would be a lot easier to burn off. I'm not sure if I'll ever use it again, but I just want it there to make sure. A $5 for a 50GB disc, you could back up 500GB of data for $50.

The other big thing that I do with DVD's now is I might have a bunch of data that someone wants, I can just burn it all to a disc and hand them it. I don't have to worry about getting it back because it isn't worth much. For archiving purposes your right, I wouldn't put anything important on them, but for other stuff that I'd like to keep it is cheap storage. I always keep at least 2 copies of something anyway, so I would more than likely get a drive to put it on, and put it on a disc. If someone knocked that drive off the shelf, you can consider the data toast whereas if it's a disc in a folder, it would still be fine.
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Old 04-19-07, 07:51 PM   #18
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At present time, sure this discs are way too expensive. I do keep a lot of important stuff on HD's, but I also have a lot of other garbage that it would be a lot easier to burn off. I'm not sure if I'll ever use it again, but I just want it there to make sure. A $5 for a 50GB disc, you could back up 500GB of data for $50.

The other big thing that I do with DVD's now is I might have a bunch of data that someone wants, I can just burn it all to a disc and hand them it. I don't have to worry about getting it back because it isn't worth much. For archiving purposes your right, I wouldn't put anything important on them, but for other stuff that I'd like to keep it is cheap storage. I always keep at least 2 copies of something anyway, so I would more than likely get a drive to put it on, and put it on a disc. If someone knocked that drive off the shelf, you can consider the data toast whereas if it's a disc in a folder, it would still be fine.
Yeah, if the prices come down significantly it'll be a good backup media... it just seems a bit too soon for everyone to be looking to switch over to BD for storage.

Oh, and most hard drives can survive a ton of punishment as long as they are properly shut down (so that the heads are parked and away from the platters). Unless you spike it off of a cement floor so that the PCB and connectors snap off, it should be fine. It still takes a lot more than that to actually ruin the data though. I trust hard drives over most other devices. I've actually been considering buying another 320gig 7200.10 just to have around as another backup...
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Old 04-19-07, 08:58 PM   #19
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Yeah, if the prices come down significantly it'll be a good backup media... it just seems a bit too soon for everyone to be looking to switch over to BD for storage.

Oh, and most hard drives can survive a ton of punishment as long as they are properly shut down (so that the heads are parked and away from the platters). Unless you spike it off of a cement floor so that the PCB and connectors snap off, it should be fine. It still takes a lot more than that to actually ruin the data though. I trust hard drives over most other devices. I've actually been considering buying another 320gig 7200.10 just to have around as another backup...
Nope, I sure wouldn't be doing it right now, that is for sure. It might be a nice option in the future though. Either way, this drive can't write BD's, so it's kind of a moot point now.

I'm not sure if I would be able to trust a drive after it fell more than 3 ft, even if it did stay working. But I guess as long as it worked long enought to get your data off of it, that is good enough. If you only have 1 copy of your data, I would probably get another drive. Heck, if you had stuff like family photos, put that on a drive, and either drop it in your desk at work, or put it into a fire resistant box in your house.
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Freakin INQ...
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The drive can play standard Blu-ray movies, which will make it a good pairing with a new Radeon or GeForce card to support hardware H.264 decoding. It can also play back and record BD-R and BD-RE discs (both single and dual layer).
But yeah, when the burners get down to the sub-300 level, I'll probably bite, unless a combo drive comes out for the same price sooner (BD+HD-DVD).

As to why would I want to back up 25GB on a $11 Blu-Ray disc, rather than use an HDD? The answer is simple...I have ALOT of data and the hard drives/hard drive enclosures are adding up...Space (Physical) is becoming a premium...
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Freakin INQ...


But yeah, when the burners get down to the sub-300 level, I'll probably bite, unless a combo drive comes out for the same price sooner (BD+HD-DVD).

As to why would I want to back up 25GB on a $11 Blu-Ray disc, rather than use an HDD? The answer is simple...I have ALOT of data and the hard drives/hard drive enclosures are adding up...Space (Physical) is becoming a premium...
Where can you get em for $11? Still right now is doesn't really make sense unfortunately. Even for space reasons. A 20pk spindle would hold 500GB for over $200, and take up as much space as a single 500GB HD that only costs $140.

If it were an HD/BR reader and combo burner, I probably would be pulling the trigger as well.
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I don't know what the big deal is with wanting to use Blu Ray for backups. IMO, the best way to back up a ton of data is to fill a hard drive and then stick it on a shelf somewhere.
It's easier to store CDs/DVDs/ or possibly BDs/HD-DVDs in a fire-proof safe (especially the small'ish one that I have). It's also much easier to have backups of backups of backups of some media like CD/DVD etc. than having several hard drives.

Anyway, I use hard drives as backups as well (several of them) but I also backup important documents (and stuff in general) that I really don't want to lose to CDs/DVDs. I'd like to have a BD burner so it doesn't take so many discs. At work, it would be really nice since it could help reduce the number of discs used to archive data which means a lot less discs to keep track of (and less space).
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Hmm, so maybe by this time next year, they'll have 50GBer's for $5, and the burner will be under $250. One can only hope right...
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