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Old 04-23-07, 03:54 PM   #25
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how well does the Q6600 over clock on air?
Not well. You'd probably get it to 3.0-3.2 before you're looking at some serious temp problems. And that's dependent on how good of a HSF you have.
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Old 04-23-07, 05:04 PM   #26
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Or bad news, depends upon how you view it.

I think it is awesome because now, whenever I do finally have the funds to build a new rig I'll be able to consider getting a semi-decent chip.

But I also view it as bad news cause this isn't helping AMD any. I am more concerned about Intel having sufficient competition than I am seeing Intel sell thier outstanding products for cheap. The latter only has short term gains with the possibility of a major loss (for the consumer) in the long run.

I hope AMD gains some ground with the R6xx series and Barcelona/Agena/AgenaFX. Otherwise we'll all be very unhappy before too much longer.
Damn, you make true statements here at nVnews Redeemed! We all need AMD/ATI to do as well as Intell and Nvidia ( if not better ) so we have competition!

+1 Redeemed for not being a fanboy, but rather a smart buyer!
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Old 04-23-07, 05:24 PM   #27
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It's not an argument. I clearly posted cheap C2D. Most 3600+ are landing between 2.6 and 3.0Ghz. An E4300 does 3.0GHz on stock volts. I'd rather a 3.0-3.4GHz E4300 myself and to each their own.

Intel do have the E2160 and E2140 coming which will be 84usd and under. They will be on a 9x multi like the E4300 so they should do 3.0GHz and beyond.

I'll avoid commenting on SLi with budget boards and with budget video cards.
The E4300 also costs considerably more. All in all the X2 3600 with that mobo would offer better performance (thanks to SLi) than what you linked to- while costing less (if you only look at the costs of the mobo+cpu and exlcude the cost of all other components). At 3.1GHz the 3600 would be plenty processing power for any game out now as wells as for any game to be released (i.e. Alan Wake or Crysis).

As for the cheap SLi mobos- I've used Biostar mobos before and am very pleased with thier products. I wouldn't hesitate buying from them again if the price were right and I were wanting to build another rig.

But as you stated- to each their own. If you are on a budget but want a gaming rig AMD is the way to go. Maybe when Intel releases those lower-end procs you mentioned they'll be more of an option. But as of right now the E4300 is nearly double the cost of that 3600 while not performing significantly better. The only advantage the 4300 really has it that it will OC higher- but you pay nearly double for that ability. Not to include the price of the cooling required for such an OC.
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Damn, you make true statements here at nVnews Redeemed! We all need AMD/ATI to do as well as Intell and Nvidia ( if not better ) so we have competition!

+1 Redeemed for not being a fanboy, but rather a smart buyer!


Um, okay. Thanks.
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Old 04-23-07, 06:56 PM   #29
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But as of right now the E4300 is nearly double the cost of that 3600 while not performing significantly better. The only advantage the 4300 really has it that it will OC higher- but you pay nearly double for that ability. Not to include the price of the cooling required for such an OC.
You're going to need some better cooling on that Brisbane if you expect to reach 3.1gHz w/ it, too, y'know? It's not going to do that on the stock cooler.

And I like the Brisbane, but the E4300 would be a significantly better performer between the two. It might go to 3.2-3.4 and is already a good bit faster clock for clock based on the increased efficiency of the Intel architecture. You're probably looking at about a 25% difference between the two in overall speed by the time you overclock both to the max.
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I saw some benches of a 3600x2 clocked at 2.7(I think?) and it was getting some incredible scores.

If I end up building a new pc in the next month or so I'll probably be picking up that 3600 and a budget sli board for sure.
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Old 04-23-07, 07:56 PM   #31
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You're going to need some better cooling on that Brisbane if you expect to reach 3.1gHz w/ it, too, y'know? It's not going to do that on the stock cooler.

And I like the Brisbane, but the E4300 would be a significantly better performer between the two. It might go to 3.2-3.4 and is already a good bit faster clock for clock based on the increased efficiency of the Intel architecture. You're probably looking at about a 25% difference between the two in overall speed by the time you overclock both to the max.
Xion, the E4300 better be atleast 25% faster for costing twice as much. And yeah, I'm well aware of the fact that the 3600 will require a better cooler as well. Even including the better cooler- it will still be almost half the price of the E4300- as that 4300 isn't reaching 3.2 or 3.4 with the stock cooler either.

For a budget rig you can't beat the 3600 right now. Wait, did I just give AMD some credit? Forgot I'm not allowed to do that anymore since Intel is king.
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If you want a comparison @ 3.0GHz of a 3600+ vs an E4300 and E2160 at the same clock you may try here-

http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/cpu/r...993288_11.html

It's not in English and the charts are easy to read, just click on the page links at the bottom to go from bench to bench.

I don't know of a review that compares a maxed out 3600+ vs a maxed out E4300 or E2160. I've seen the 3600+ @ close to 3.2 and the E4300 @ close to 3.7GHz. You may note here the E4300 is doing 3204MHz on 1.325v.



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http://www.nordichardware.com/Review...&skrivelse=500

Again, I was offering budget C2D ideas, and clearly never claimed it was the cheapest thing on the market. I don't think wanting to try for a cheap 3.4-3.7GHz C2D rig is "fan boy", and others opinions will vary. It is a fact clock for clock C2D is faster and overclocks higher.

The E2160 with the Abit IB9 will not be a bad way to go considering you will be starting with a 9x multi and only need a 400FSB for 3.6GHz. Supposedly the E2160 will be 84usd.

I'll avoid further commentary and let people make their own value judgments.
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Old 04-23-07, 08:38 PM   #33
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Xion, the E4300 better be atleast 25% faster for costing twice as much. And yeah, I'm well aware of the fact that the 3600 will require a better cooler as well. Even including the better cooler- it will still be almost half the price of the E4300- as that 4300 isn't reaching 3.2 or 3.4 with the stock cooler either.

For a budget rig you can't beat the 3600 right now. Wait, did I just give AMD some credit? Forgot I'm not allowed to do that anymore since Intel is king.
Why are you getting so defensive? All I did was correct you for saying the E4300 wasn't a significantly better performer. I didn't mention a damn thing about pricing.

Go get whatever you want. I couldn't care less.

I don't appreciate you implying that I never give AMD credit. I just said in my last post that I like the Brisbane, and I've recommended it as a great budget buy to a # of people on the forums. But I don't let me liking something get in the way of the facts. Could you be any more presumptuous here? Blacklash and I both owned AMDs on our last builds.
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Old 04-24-07, 01:47 AM   #34
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New price at the Egg: $559.00 shipped.

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Why are you getting so defensive? All I did was correct you for saying the E4300 wasn't a significantly better performer. I didn't mention a damn thing about pricing.

Go get whatever you want. I couldn't care less.

I don't appreciate you implying that I never give AMD credit. I just said in my last post that I like the Brisbane, and I've recommended it as a great budget buy to a # of people on the forums. But I don't let me liking something get in the way of the facts. Could you be any more presumptuous here? Blacklash and I both owned AMDs on our last builds.
Xion, I apologize- I did not mean to come off as attacking you. Actually, you are one of the few I agree with.

I am just extremely annoyed at how, since the intro of the Core2, everybody and their brother seems to bad mouth anything AMD does, says, or implies. It is as if they can do no good since Intel is finally in the lead. The overall attitude of most people seems to be that they'd prefer AMD just throw in the towel and let Intel reign supreme forever.

And Xion, I never said that the 3600 was a better performer than the E4300- that would be about as retarded and blind a statement as is possible. I did specifically say that for costing almost twice what the 3600 costs, that the E4300 should be a better performer ( as in I'm well aware that it performs better, considering it costs twice as much I'd really be disappointed if it didn't). My argument was, that from a budget perspective only, AMD wins. Intel has absolutely nothing to compete in the <$100 price range- thus for now AMD is in the lead.

Once the E2160 is released that will probably change, and AMD will have nothing on Intel- atleast for a little while (hopefully).

I'm merely frustrated because of the blindness everybody seems to be showing. They forget that if it weren't for AMD the precious Core2 would cost far more than it does. People seem to forget that competition is a good thing, and something that should be encouraged. Instead, everybody seems to discourage AMD for challenging the mighty Intel and nVidia. God forbid we have any competition.

And again, my ranting is not directed at you Xion- but at the brain-dead fanboys that are more than abundant since the introduction of the Core2.

This post of mine in another thread clarifies my stance and feeling quite well:

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To be honest- I highly doubt that is what they intended.

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Why is it that everybody keeps bashing AMD??? Would you guys prefer that they just throw in the towel and declare bankruptcy??? That way you could be paying $500 for a mid-range Intel CPU since there wouldn't be any competition (and no, IBM is not competition for Intel). You could praise your almight Intel and have to pay out that wazoo for even a low-end cpu. It sickens and annoys me at how biased everybody has become towards AMD since the introduction of the Core2. You all act as if they are the scourge of the computer world and they need to be gone. We'd be in a far worse state if it wasn't for AMD. If it wasn't for AMD you guys wouldn't have your precious little Core2s.

I can understand buying an Intel chip simply cause they do perform better and overclock like crazy- but to completely bad mouth AMD and say all they release is crap is only making yourself look ignorant at best. Not so long ago AMD was kicking Intel's @$$ and everybody was praising how awesome AMD was. Now, suddenly Intel did what everybody should have been expecting (releasing a decent chip and regaining the performance crown) and you guys instantly start bowing to the might Intel God and curse the blaspemous name of AMD.

For the consumers sake I want AMD to accell and surpass Intel yet again. Then in 6 months (or however long) I want Intel to surpass AMD yet agian- and I want this cycle to repeat.

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Sorry for the rant, but it gets really annoying how everybody seems to be completely anti-AMD all of a sudden. I mean, would you guys really be happier if they were gone completely? And before you answer- stop and think what would happen if AMD wasn't around and Intel had no real competition?
Again, I apologize for comming of at you as I did Xion, and same to you Backlash- it just seems that anytime anybody ever mentions and AMD processor there are several other people that come on ranting and raving "ZOMG INTEL IZ TEH PWNZOR AND ROXEZZZ 5TUP1D @MD!!!!111". I feel like I can't recommend anybody the alternative to Intel without recieving a flood of pure Intel-fan-boy BS. That is all.
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No reason to apologize, Redeemed.

I didn't bring AMD up and did respond to comparisons of the E4300 vs 3600+. The 3600+ is a good value and you shouldn't compare it to the E4300 on price alone. If they were the same speed clock for clock and the E4300 didn't have up to a 450MHz overclocking advantage on air I would have a different opinion.

The 3600+ does give good bang for the buck and I haven't stated otherwise.

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Correct.

Before C2D my rig was a X2 4400+ @ 2.84GHz and I still have a San Diego 3700+ that does 2.9 on air. I'll be back in the AMD camp when they release something that is faster clock for clock than what I own and that overclocks better. Until that date, it's Intel.
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