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Old 05-17-07, 12:14 PM   #25
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I can speak from personal experience on a few of the games.

UT2004 - Native Linux port, installer on UT2004 CD, no issues.
Quake4 - Native Linux port, http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/, no issues.
Doom 3 - Native Linux port, http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/, no issues.
FarCry - D3D only, emulation required, 30% performance hit when run through Cedega but does run. It's playable but at the time the intro animation had to be turned off or it would lag.
COD2 - No experience, appears supported by Cedega, http://cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=4011
HL2 - No experience, suppored by Cedga, http://cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3189
STALKER - No experience but I remember at one point hearing something about a native port over at Phoronix but I could be wrong.
FEAR - No experience, supported by Cedega, http://cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3984
I was just looking at the Cedega site a little more thoroughly and realized you have to pay to subscribe to it.

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911medic: Because you have to, to play these games on this OS.
Wife: Don't they work just fine on Windows?
911medic: Ummm...yeah, but...
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Old 05-17-07, 12:17 PM   #26
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Yes, Linux can see an NTFS drive however, write access to the drive isn't permitted unless you use the NTFS 3g module which enables write support for NTFS.

My Linux system supports these partition types:
Code:
Hex code (type L to list codes): l

 0  Empty           1e  Hidden W95 FAT1 80  Old Minix       be  Solaris boot   
 1  FAT12           24  NEC DOS         81  Minix / old Lin bf  Solaris        
 2  XENIX root      39  Plan 9          82  Linux swap / So c1  DRDOS/sec (FAT-
 3  XENIX usr       3c  PartitionMagic  83  Linux           c4  DRDOS/sec (FAT-
 4  FAT16 <32M      40  Venix 80286     84  OS/2 hidden C:  c6  DRDOS/sec (FAT-
 5  Extended        41  PPC PReP Boot   85  Linux extended  c7  Syrinx         
 6  FAT16           42  SFS             86  NTFS volume set da  Non-FS data    
 7  HPFS/NTFS       4d  QNX4.x          87  NTFS volume set db  CP/M / CTOS / .
 8  AIX             4e  QNX4.x 2nd part 88  Linux plaintext de  Dell Utility   
 9  AIX bootable    4f  QNX4.x 3rd part 8e  Linux LVM       df  BootIt         
 a  OS/2 Boot Manag 50  OnTrack DM      93  Amoeba          e1  DOS access     
 b  W95 FAT32       51  OnTrack DM6 Aux 94  Amoeba BBT      e3  DOS R/O        
 c  W95 FAT32 (LBA) 52  CP/M            9f  BSD/OS          e4  SpeedStor      
 e  W95 FAT16 (LBA) 53  OnTrack DM6 Aux a0  IBM Thinkpad hi eb  BeOS fs        
 f  W95 Ext'd (LBA) 54  OnTrackDM6      a5  FreeBSD         ee  EFI GPT        
10  OPUS            55  EZ-Drive        a6  OpenBSD         ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/
11  Hidden FAT12    56  Golden Bow      a7  NeXTSTEP        f0  Linux/PA-RISC b
12  Compaq diagnost 5c  Priam Edisk     a8  Darwin UFS      f1  SpeedStor      
14  Hidden FAT16 <3 61  SpeedStor       a9  NetBSD          f4  SpeedStor      
16  Hidden FAT16    63  GNU HURD or Sys ab  Darwin boot     f2  DOS secondary  
17  Hidden HPFS/NTF 64  Novell Netware  b7  BSDI fs         fd  Linux raid auto
18  AST SmartSleep  65  Novell Netware  b8  BSDI swap       fe  LANstep        
1b  Hidden W95 FAT3 70  DiskSecure Mult bb  Boot Wizard hid ff  BBT            
1c  Hidden W95 FAT3 75  PC/IX          
Hex code (type L to list codes):
Gotcha. So reading from the drive won't be a problem, but I'd only have writes to the Linux partition itself. If I wanted to modify something, I'd have to save it into the Linux partition, leaving the original/unmodified item on the Windows partition.
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Old 05-17-07, 12:18 PM   #27
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I was just looking at the Cedega site a little more thoroughly and realized you have to pay to subscribe to it.

Wife: Why are you paying for this?
911medic: Because you have to, to play these games on this OS.
Wife: Don't they work just fine on Windows?
911medic: Ummm...yeah, but...
Wife: [walks away, not to be seen naked again by 911medic for at least 2 weeks]
Please allow me to help your wife become unclothed:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...nex+cvs&page=1

The rule of GPL/OpenSource is that the source code must be accessible or distributable to adhere to the license. With Cedega you are paying for the 'deb' files and basically 'support'. You can compile it yourself from source and still remain 100% legal, thus avoiding the cost of purchasing Cedega.

Here's a step-by-step walkthrough:
http://patrick295767.pa.funpic.org/cvs.htm
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Old 05-17-07, 12:19 PM   #28
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Gotcha. So reading from the drive won't be a problem, but I'd only have writes to the Linux partition itself. If I wanted to modify something, I'd have to save it into the Linux partition, leaving the original/unmodified item on the Windows partition.
Exactly, or use the NTFS-3g module and have full read/write support.
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Old 05-17-07, 12:19 PM   #29
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I see. Are you able to access files on each HDD? For example, if there are pictures or mp3's on the Windows HDD, will Linux be able to see them (and vice-versa)?

Sorry for all the questions. I appreciate your patience.
NP on the questions, happy to help!

Most, if not all current linux distros will see and recognise windows. I regularly pull pics and files from my vista hdd over to my Ubuntu. I would guess mp3s would be the same, I haven't tried them yet.

That does bring up multimedia in linux. For the most part you shouldn't have a problem, but there are some licensing issues there. And there are resonably painless workarounds available. Legal ones at that.

On the OSs seeing each other again, windows won't return the favor . It will see the device, but just labels the partitions as "unrecognised OS".

EDIT: I see evilghost beat me to it.
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Old 05-17-07, 12:22 PM   #30
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Please allow me to help your wife become unclothed:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...nex+cvs&page=1

The rule of GPL/OpenSource is that the source code must be accessible or distributable to adhere to the license. With Cedega you are paying for the 'deb' files and basically 'support'. You can compile it yourself from source and still remain 100% legal, thus avoiding the cost of purchasing Cedega.
LOL
Thanks for the workaround. Now I just have to edumacate my self on compiling.
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Exactly, or use the NTFS-3g module and have full read/write support.
Got it.
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NP on the questions, happy to help!

Most, if not all current linux distros will see and recognise windows. I regularly pull pics and files from my vista hdd over to my Ubuntu. I would guess mp3s would be the same, I haven't tried them yet.

That does bring up multimedia in linux. For the most part you shouldn't have a problem, but there are some licensing issues there. And there are resonably painless workarounds available. Legal ones at that.

On the OSs seeing each other again, windows won't return the favor . It will see the device, but just labels the partitions as "unrecognised OS".

EDIT: I see evilghost beat me to it.
Hey, I'll take explanations from both of you! Sometimes it takes two descriptions to clarify for me!
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Windows can recognize the ext3 partition via the use of a separate driver. As FYI, the ext3 filesystem manages fragmentation to the point that there is no need to defragment, another benefit of Linux.

http://www.fs-driver.org/

ext3 is essentially ext2 with a journal.
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All right, one last question:

The "Live CD." My cursory understanding of this is that I can d/l a CD image, burn it to a disk, pop it in the drive and boot from it (or do I not need to boot from it? I don't remember), and experience the distro without actually installing it, right? But if I want to make modifications (such as installing Beryl), I'll have to actually do the full install, right?

For all my XP knowledge, I feel like such a babe in the woods, here...
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911medic, I'll leave my email address/IM address for you if you run into any snags or need help if you'd like a more "live" support function. I'm sure grey_1 would be happy to help as well.
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All right, one last question:

The "Live CD." My cursory understanding of this is that I can d/l a CD image, burn it to a disk, pop it in the drive and boot from it (or do I not need to boot from it? I don't remember), and experience the distro without actually installing it, right? But if I want to make modifications (such as installing Beryl), I'll have to actually do the full install, right?

For all my XP knowledge, I feel like such a babe in the woods, here...
Yes, pretty much exactly as you stated. You can make changes to the Live CD but those changes are lost upon reboot. You must boot to the live CD. There are a few caveats with the Live CD such as correct video card driver detection with 3D acceleration/etc.

The installation process is as easy as answering three to four questions. There is an 'install' option on the desktop.

I made the switch about 3 years ago from an exclusive Win32 environment to pure Linux and have really been better off. It's certainly mitigated the need to either empty my wallet or pirate necessary software.
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