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Old 05-13-07, 11:57 AM   #25
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I did own P4 3.2GHz (HT), Athlon 64 (3200+ Venice, while waiting for X2 4400+), X2 4400+, E6600, and now Q6600. I work on computer 98% of time, not playing games. You have obviously no experience of what is a good system, having 3000+ in your signature. You should learn.. Many teenagers are like this, having their 2nd cheap AMD system, donated by parents, they want to believe nothing is better.

Try running several ffdshow filters on you obsolete AMD, it will choke at 90% CPU utliization, while old P4 HT will fly at 20%. I did that (and hated AMD). Try video encoding. Try RAID. It will be unstable. Anything, except few games, is faster even on P4 HT than singlecore AMD. Add instability of AMD-platform chipsets, poor drivers, poor multitasking (remember late dualcore AMD drivers? Intel did not need any for stability), and you have a definitive looser (except for some teenagers playing games 100% of time and beleiving AMD propaganda, never actually having Intel).

If you really work on computer, not just play games, you need performance (delivered by C2D) and stability (delivered by P965/ICH8 chipset). AMD does not have any of these, X2 is slow, chipsets are behind Intel.
How about this, I don't play games (Often, the last game I've played through is Quake 4), I have raid on both my computers, and I multitask all the time. Before I owned this I had 2 P4 systems, both garbage the chips burned out after a few months of use and I had to RMA them, finally I got fed up and used AMD chips for the first time in my life.

After using P2's, P3's, and P4's while eating all of Intels bull**** that if it doesn't have the "Intel Inside" sticker its garbage. That is all the biggest load of crap. My AMD64 @ 2.2ghz destroys my P4 /w HT @3.2ghz in ANY application, but a large margin. Also, my sisters Sempron 64 @ 1.6ghz also destroys the P4 in encoding situations. It costed me about 40$, and it has a very small margin of the clock speed AND cache of the P4, and it still encodes a DVD to a 700mb AVI about 10 minutes quicker, if not more.


And to claim that NV chipsets aren't stable, my boxes uptime is over 7 months thank you very much.
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I dont understand it myself tbh. Its all getting a bit silly. Soon we will have 24 core cpu's.
No doubt. What will happen is with these smaller architectures you will see more cores popping up on the CPU's. What this means is that you can do more at slower clock speeds. I am all for it as it will mean better parallel processing power which is much better than fast series processing. The only problem is the software is no where close to being able to do this. I think everyone (who knows what they are talking about) can agree the C2D was a huge leap in processing power. Whether Intel stays king or AMD comes back I don't care about, all I can say is if CPUs keep evolving this quickly not only will it be a badass time for processing power but it will also mean a lot of us will go broke keeping up at these speeds I just hope the OS's and games can catch up so all this power is used most effectively. I mean, I can count on my hand how many games out now acctually use my C2D the way it was meant too. And even then my system does not even flinch. With graphics and CPU's evolving so fast I can also see VR for the home PC around the corner
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Old 05-13-07, 12:51 PM   #32
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AMD Awesomness? No way. I never want to see AMD again. Intel CPU + Intel chipset = pure godness.

Some time ago, I bought my first AMD, X2 4400+, because I wanted NVIDIA SLI (2x6800, 2x7800, 2x7900, etc.) with dualcore, so Pentium D(ualcore) was not an option (NVIDIA chipsets for Intel are even worse than for AMD, if that is possible). Had 15+ Intel CPUs before.

X2 was more expensive than my current quadcore, Q6600, and performed really BAD in all things except games. I truly hated that CPU, while paying about $850 (including VAT) for it. For audio and video processing, it was a horrible CPU, worse than my previous P4 Northwood with HT, bought for $100, not to mention unstable NVIDIA nForce4-SLI(32) boards, SATA problems, NVIDIA firewall problems, X2 multitasking problems, etc.

I think only people without true 20+ years IT experience can "love" something as broken as AMD. AMD copied all Intel patents, due to their "exchange". They copied x86 instruction set, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, and many others. Intel was the first to come up with 64-bit Itanium, true new platform, while AMD came up with primitive x86_64 extension (basically just doubled registry, not really innovative). Their K7/K8 project was nothing more than a purchased NexGen CPU.

AMD was know for years as "unstable solution for poor people who cannot afford Intel". They had a lot of ads for Athlon 64/X2, and a lot of positive press from fanatics playing games and doing no real work, so I thought I give it a try, eventhough their CPU costed a small fortune. Never again, I am cured for my life from AMD "infection"...

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Um, yeah, with out AMD you'd still be getting screwed. You'd be paying $500 for a midrange CPU. Furthermore, without AMD, Intel will not be nearly as creative by bringing us significantly better performing processors. You better hope AMD stays around, unless or course, you don't mind paying an arm and a leg for a mediocre product. Without competition, the consumer loses.

Secondly, you are the first to ever make such claims about their proc. Also, every review I've seen pitting the X2s against the P4s had the X2s on top. Not sure what you've been smoking:

http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hard...ng/index.shtml

http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/articl...4&pagenumber=1

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/323/1

Your experience seems to be contradictory to what most others experienced. The A64 lineup was cooler running and better performing than the P4 counter parts. I'ved owned multiple A64s- s754 2800, 3400, 3700, and then now my 939 Opty185. I have to say I've been extremely impressed with all the A64 chips I've owned. The first one was a great experience- I manage to get a 400Mhz oc on that 2800 on air cooling and value RAM. I was quite pleased with that setup.

And with this Opty I'm just blown away at how well I can multi-task. I had a game of BFME going, ALT+Tabbed out and fired up HL2. Played HL2 just fine with BFME still going on in the background (minimized). Exited HL2 and resumed playing BFME (just in time to save my castle and then win the game ). And yes, I've used A64s with SLi as well (my past three rigs) and haven't experienced the issues you mentioned. My A8N32 SLi Dlx is working flawlessly as well.

So you go on a pray that Intel owns AMD so they can then have a monopoly and charge insane amounts for new procs that are only a mediocre improvement over what they're replacing since there'd be no competition. As you seem to not care for competition much. Yay for unnatural monopolies.
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Fact? You're a AMD fan boy aren't you? It's been proven that 4x4 with two dual-cores is slower and a single socket Core 2 Quad, so what makes you think two quad cores are gonna be better than a native oct-core? Not to mention Intel could have two Nehalem dies slapped togther to make 16-core.
The 4x4 system has been designed for the CPUs to work together with the ram and the graphics card, Intel still hasn't even got an on-board NB or memory controller, they still use the same old tech FSB.
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I did own P4 3.2GHz (HT), Athlon 64 (3200+ Venice, while waiting for X2 4400+), X2 4400+, E6600, and now Q6600. I work on computer 98% of time, not playing games. You have obviously no experience of what is a good system, having 3000+ in your signature. You should learn.. Many teenagers are like this, having their 2nd cheap AMD system, donated by parents, they want to believe nothing is better.

Try running several ffdshow filters on you obsolete AMD, it will choke at 90% CPU utliization, while old P4 HT will fly at 20%. I did that (and hated AMD). Try video encoding. Try RAID. It will be unstable. Anything, except few games, is faster even on P4 HT than singlecore AMD. Add instability of AMD-platform chipsets, poor drivers, poor multitasking (remember late dualcore AMD drivers? Intel did not need any for stability), and you have a definitive looser (except for some teenagers playing games 100% of time and beleiving AMD propaganda, never actually having Intel).

If you really work on computer, not just play games, you need performance (delivered by C2D) and stability (delivered by P965/ICH8 chipset). AMD does not have any of these, X2 is slow, chipsets are behind Intel.
Up untill the release of the Core2, AMD dominated Intel in nearly every possible way. Further more, you're off your rocker in claiming Intel was the first to release a native 64-bit CPU. AMD was the first to release such CPU (the Opterons) and at first caught a lot of flak for it. You are blinded by hatred towards AMD for whatever reason. Your opinion contradicts those of 90+% of the reviews pitting the X2 against the Pentium D. As for single core, the Pentium HT did win in multi-threading and multi-tasking situations. Outside of those, the A64 was always found supreme. Again, you can find this in 90%+ of the reviews between the two chips.
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AMD Awesomness? No way. I never want to see AMD again. Intel CPU + Intel chipset = pure godness.

Some time ago, I bought my first AMD, X2 4400+, because I wanted NVIDIA SLI (2x6800, 2x7800, 2x7900, etc.) with dualcore, so Pentium D(ualcore) was not an option (NVIDIA chipsets for Intel are even worse than for AMD, if that is possible). Had 15+ Intel CPUs before.

X2 was more expensive than my current quadcore, Q6600, and performed really BAD in all things except games. I truly hated that CPU, while paying about $850 (including VAT) for it. For audio and video processing, it was a horrible CPU, worse than my previous P4 Northwood with HT, bought for $100, not to mention unstable NVIDIA nForce4-SLI(32) boards, SATA problems, NVIDIA firewall problems, X2 multitasking problems, etc.

I think only people without true 20+ years IT experience can "love" something as broken as AMD. AMD copied all Intel patents, due to their "exchange". They copied x86 instruction set, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, and many others. Intel was the first to come up with 64-bit Itanium, true new platform, while AMD came up with primitive x86_64 extension (basically just doubled registry, not really innovative). Their K7/K8 project was nothing more than a purchased NexGen CPU.

AMD was know for years as "unstable solution for poor people who cannot afford Intel". They had a lot of ads for Athlon 64/X2, and a lot of positive press from fanatics playing games and doing no real work, so I thought I give it a try, eventhough their CPU costed a small fortune. Never again, I am cured for my life from AMD "infection"...

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How about this, I don't play games (Often, the last game I've played through is Quake 4), I have raid on both my computers, and I multitask all the time. Before I owned this I had 2 P4 systems, both garbage the chips burned out after a few months of use and I had to RMA them, finally I got fed up and used AMD chips for the first time in my life.

After using P2's, P3's, and P4's while eating all of Intels bull**** that if it doesn't have the "Intel Inside" sticker its garbage. That is all the biggest load of crap. My AMD64 @ 2.2ghz destroys my P4 /w HT @3.2ghz in ANY application, but a large margin. Also, my sisters Sempron 64 @ 1.6ghz also destroys the P4 in encoding situations. It costed me about 40$, and it has a very small margin of the clock speed AND cache of the P4, and it still encodes a DVD to a 700mb AVI about 10 minutes quicker, if not more.


And to claim that NV chipsets aren't stable, my boxes uptime is over 7 months thank you very much.
Wow- that reeks of pure fanboyism. There's no way a single core A64 will out-perform a P4 with HT if both chips are ran at stock. Even then, the P4 will get a higher OC and would still outperform the A64 (or Sempron) in multi-threaded situations. I say you're exagerating a bit...
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