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Old 05-13-07, 11:10 PM   #73
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I think Amuro is saying.."on-die" as opposed to "on-board"

Fusion?
You know what I meant.

If Intel don't have NVIDIA or ATi on-DIE graphics, then it sucks.
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Old 05-13-07, 11:29 PM   #74
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You know what I meant.

If Intel don't have NVIDIA or ATi on-DIE graphics, then it sucks.
That again is pure specultion on your part! Who knows right now intel's new push into graphics will land them graphics parts that are on par or above or below what NV or ATI are offering!!!

I think recently NV and Intel were supposed to have shared IP/tech (NV) vs favours for certain sectors (Intel). So that in itself may give Intel a better lead into the time they introduce competitive graphics chipset. Even though I did read that Intel's approach to graphics is lot different from traditional GPU architecture.
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Old 05-13-07, 11:56 PM   #75
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Yeah, I've heard of the Titanic line-up. And you are currect. Let me rephrase- AMD was the first to offer a 64-bit processor that is backward compatible with 32-bit applications (not emulated). To get best performance in 64-bit apps you need 64 registers- something EM64-T did not allow for untill the Core2s. That is why the Athlons were able to outperform the Any of Intel's CPUs in a 64-bit environment up untill the Core2s. I am sorry, but I don't think a crippled 64-bit or taping two cores together and screaming "WE HAVE D00L C0R3 T00!" is exactly a good idea. But if you like tape-ons, then enjoy 'em.
Athlon 64x2's were superior to Pentium D in 64 bit more so because of the fact that Intel was limited by thermal ceiling then anything else.

I for one am not as impressed by 64Bit, tacking on 64Bit and claiming we have it too is a wonderful approach believe it or not as Intel is quite the marketing machine, as long as they appear competitive that's all that matters. It's is taking a very long time to make the 64Bit transition, AMD isn't big enough to move the industry there at any pace worth mentioning. It takes Intel to do something like that.

With Core 2 they are more then actually competitive so the advantage is even greater now. MCM designs come with their own set of advantages, at some cost to performance, but performance is only 1 aspect to designing a CPU, there is more to that to consider. With Kentsfield it is extremely apparent with a large time to market.advantage.

Itanium has its own associated advantages and disadvantages, and would have been the way to go, the problem with that is that people weren't willing to make such a radical change. It's the first native 64Bit architecture so it could get rid of having too much legacy support.
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That again is pure specultion on your part! Who knows right now intel's new push into graphics will land them graphics parts that are on par or above or below what NV or ATI are offering!!!

I think recently NV and Intel were supposed to have shared IP/tech (NV) vs favours for certain sectors (Intel). So that in itself may give Intel a better lead into the time they introduce competitive graphics chipset. Even though I did read that Intel's approach to graphics is lot different from traditional GPU architecture.
Personally I think merging the CPU and GPu isn't such a great idea except more from a cost perspective rather then a performance perspective.

Unless you are willing to put up with gargantuan die sizes, your going to sacrifice some performance from both sectors to create such a product.

I rather keep the GPU discrete and specialized as specialized hardware tens to have the most performance, and the support is there already, I hope the Physics PPU takes off as it is the most efficient way to accelerate Physics. a GPU could do it, but at the cost of efficiency.
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Old 05-14-07, 01:46 AM   #77
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You know what I meant.

If Intel don't have NVIDIA or ATi on-DIE graphics, then it sucks.
Intel and nvidia are reportedly working on something together. It could be the on-die integrated graphics proccessor.
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Old 05-14-07, 01:54 AM   #78
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Intel and nvidia are reportedly working on something together. It could be the on-die integrated graphics proccessor.
Lol, ya, sure, NVIDIA would lose profits that way. They're either really dumb or don't like money if they do that.
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Lol, ya, sure, NVIDIA would lose profits that way. They're either really dumb or don't like money if they do that.
You will still need a GPU if you want higher performance.
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Um... just how well can your Core2 quad run FEAR at 2560x1600 with 16xAA and 16xAF with maxed in-game settings? Probably at .0025fps.

If you want better graphics performance, then you'll need a better GPU. Whatever GPU is included on the procs (if they really do go that route) wont be comparable to the top-of-the-line GPUs found on the top-of-the-line video cards. Just not gonna' happen.
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I think DMX may be referring to the theoretical Intel have proposed of having masive FPU crunchers (core) in parallel for shading calcs...i dunno 8 or more in one die etc...can anyone summarize what intel were purposing to do with respect to this approach? I also dunno how Intelw ould approach texture manipulations etc...that's what they need from NV? argh I may be well off base here. please someone share some light on this with links!
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Um... just how well can your Core2 quad run FEAR at 2560x1600 with 16xAA and 16xAF with maxed in-game settings? Probably at .0025fps.

If you want better graphics performance, then you'll need a better GPU. Whatever GPU is included on the procs (if they really do go that route) wont be comparable to the top-of-the-line GPUs found on the top-of-the-line video cards. Just not gonna' happen.
No, you obviously know nothing of CPU-GPU integration. There will be a dedicated GPU core on-board/on-die next to the CPU, removing the restrictions of FSB/PCI-E limitations, etc. Instantaneous CPU-GPU communication.
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WRONG.
No, you're the one who's wrong.
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Fusion will simply be a more power efficient version of a platform with integrated graphics. Integrated graphics is nothing to get excited about, but it is what follows as manufacturing technology and processor architectures evolve that is really interesting.
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