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Old 05-21-07, 11:56 PM   #1
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A senior Microsoft official said the company has had few takers for modified versions of its Windows operating systems built to conform to European competition requirements. David Heiner, Microsoft's deputy general counsel, said "not a single PC manufacturer has chosen to license" the special editions of its operating systems, which are available only in Europe.
The software, Windows XP N and Windows Vista N, lacks the Windows Media Player media playback software, which ordinarily is integrated into Microsoft's operating systems.

EU regulators ordered Microsoft to unbundle Media Player from some versions of Windows available for sale in Europe after charging that the bundling gave the company an unfair advantage over media player products created by third-party developers.

Microsoft, however, was allowed to offer standard editions of Windows for sale in Europe alongside the N editions, allowing consumers to choose between the two.

Speaking in March to officials at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, Heiner said European consumers have opted en masse for the full versions of Windows. The N versions, he said, "sit on the shelf."

"PC manufacturers and consumers [in Europe] can now choose to get Windows with or without its media playback functionality. They have chosen the full-featured version of Windows, as might be expected," said Heiner, according to a transcript of his remarks obtained by InformationWeek.

Heiner was speaking to FTC officials to urge them to adopt anti-monopoly measures that promote competition rather than restrict consumer choice.

He said Microsoft's consent decree with monopoly watchdogs at the Department of Justice is a good example of the former. As a result of the deal, he said, "new Windows PCs come loaded up with software from Microsoft's competitors" without limiting consumer access to Microsoft's own products."

By contrast, the EU's decision to order Microsoft to strip out its own media player technology from some versions of Windows has hurt both Microsoft and its European customers, Heiner said. "Costs have been imposed, but there is little apparent benefit for anyone," he said.

Microsoft continues to butt heads with European regulators over the prices it charges to competitors for interoperability protocols for file and print servers.

Microsoft last month dodged -- at least temporarily -- European Union fines of up to $4 million per day by submitting an 11th-hour response to allegations that it continues to overcharge rivals for the tools they need to make their products compatible with the Windows operating system.

The company told the EU that it needs "greater clarity on what prices the commission wants us to charge" and called for more talks on the issue, according to a statement released last month by the software maker.

In his comments to the FTC, Heiner blasted the EU for inserting itself into talks between Microsoft and third-party product manufacturers. "Whether firms choose to take a license, and what kind of products they build with those licenses," Heiner said, "is of course entirely up to them and outside the control of either Microsoft or any antitrust agency."


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Old 05-22-07, 06:42 PM   #2
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Here in Spain I think no one will buy an N version, Xp or Vista, I hadn´t seen one of them in any shop
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Old 05-22-07, 08:14 PM   #3
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Bah, of course not. The whole anti-trust shenanigans were coughed up by a bunch of liberal wankers who know nothing about the software industry.

While I certainly don't consider myself to be some sort of Microsoft fanboy, the whole media player anti-trust thing just came off as Microsoft getting bullied by the EU to me.
Indeed (minus some of the unneeded name calling).

I'd like to know exactly how Microsoft including a media player with windows takes away a consumers choice to use something else. It's not like MS bundles their media player with windows and then makes it so you can't use anything else. If somebody wants to use another media player then they have a choice to, if they are happy with what's included with windows then they can stick with that.

It's all a bunch of nonsense.
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Old 05-22-07, 08:45 PM   #4
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The claims of MS being monopolistic have always been garbage. WinAMP proved that if you made a better software product than what MS offered people would use it. Firefox proved the same thing. How long has Opera been around now? 10 years? Access to Urge is integrated right into WMP. Steve Jobs is not scared. IE's search field defaults to Live Search. How many changed it to Google or another search engine?

The worst thing about the claim of MS being a monopoly is that it's a premise based on the idea that you, me, and everyone else are idiots who are far too stupid to decide what works best for them.
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The claims of MS being monopolistic have always been garbage. WinAMP proved that if you made a better software product than what MS offered people would use it. Firefox proved the same thing. How long has Opera been around now? 10 years? Access to Urge is integrated right into WMP. Steve Jobs is not scared. IE's search field defaults to Live Search. How many changed it to Google or another search engine?

The worst thing about the claim of MS being a monopoly is that it's a premise based on the idea that you, me, and everyone else are idiots who are far too stupid to decide what works best for them.
Explain to me how an end-user can gracefully uninstall WMP10 or WMP11 after installation...
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Explain to me how an end-user can gracefully uninstall WMP10 or WMP11 after installation...
What does this have to do with MS being a monopoly though? Theres any number of apps that will happily play ones files by default.
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Explain to me how an end-user can gracefully uninstall WMP10 or WMP11 after installation...
Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs -> Add/Remove Windows Components -> Uncheck the Windows Media Player checkbox and click Next.

It took me longer to type that than it would to uninstall WMP.

Besides that, in this day and age of multi-hundred GB hard-drives I seriously doubt anyone is going to go ape**** over WMP taking up a few 10s of MBs if they don't uninstall it.
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Well, WMP won't handle xvid, divx, mov, rm, MPEG-2 transport streams, and a bunch of others. VLC will though. Not only that but VLC doesn't require you to install codecs for anything. It has its own internal support for tons of compression formats and containers. For that reason, VLC has much cleaner playback than just about anything.
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Well, WMP won't handle xvid, divx, mov, rm, MPEG-2 transport streams, and a bunch of others. VLC will though. Not only that but VLC doesn't require you to install codecs for anything. It has its own internal support for tons of compression formats and containers. For that reason, VLC has much cleaner playback than just about anything.
and here it comes back to the same anti-trust BS, if microsoft would add internal support for all those codecs, they would get sued again.
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I just install a codec pack, and voila, WMP plays virtually everything...
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and here it comes back to the same anti-trust BS, if microsoft would add internal support for all those codecs, they would get sued again.
Not to mention the support headache if they included the codecs to play all those formats.
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Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs -> Add/Remove Windows Components -> Uncheck the Windows Media Player checkbox and click Next.

It took me longer to type that than it would to uninstall WMP.

Besides that, in this day and age of multi-hundred GB hard-drives I seriously doubt anyone is going to go ape**** over WMP taking up a few 10s of MBs if they don't uninstall it.
That's how you remove the Desktop icon/profile icons, I'm sorry, that doesn't remove WMP11 or WMP10. [I think]
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