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Old 06-08-07, 06:56 PM   #1
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A co-worker was asking me about spyware and AV software for Vista and since I don't use my Vista-based system very often, figured I'd better ask. Is the Vista Windows Defender software any good? If not, what is recommended?

I don't run AV software so recommendations there would be good also (has to be Vista compatible).
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Old 06-08-07, 07:54 PM   #2
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I wouldn't rely on defender. I currently have it disabled and am running Lavasoft's Adaware personal and spybot. Both are free and both have a proven track record.

For AV I'm using Avast' personal version.
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No. It consistently fails to detect some of the latest variants, check http://isc.sans.org for proof on this and http://www.virustotal.com. I've personally witnessed this on several instances.
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Old 06-08-07, 09:42 PM   #4
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No. It consistently fails to detect some of the latest variants, check http://isc.sans.org for proof on this and http://www.virustotal.com. I've personally witnessed this on several instances.
While running linux?
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Old 06-08-07, 09:46 PM   #5
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While running linux?
While auditing of vendor laptops which are compromised and determining the level/exposure of infection in the corporate enterprise as well as documented failure to classify the threat from ISC's handlers.
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Old 06-08-07, 11:05 PM   #6
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While auditing of vendor laptops which are compromised and determining the level/exposure of infection in the corporate enterprise as well as documented failure to classify the threat from ISC's handlers.
And these Vendor laptops are running Vista?
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Old 06-08-07, 11:21 PM   #7
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Well, can't speak for Vista, sorry, but I love Hitman Pro 2.6. Includes all you need, well, except AV. I use AVG for that, but not sure if they have a Vista version yet. Windows Defender never caught anything for me! It sucks!
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My experience: (Abbreviated version)

OWA, I had disabled Defender and ran Vista a while without it. Then eventually I noticed that things started running poorly. I thought "Hey, must be Spyware", so I ran Lavasoft and it found nothing. I then on a hunch reenabled Defender. It found 5 spyware actually running in the background. It cleaned them and all is well. So, in my experience I think its a good piece of software.
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Thanks for the input everyone.
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Old 06-09-07, 10:03 AM   #10
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At my job, we deployed Defender on all new images created about a year ago. Also, we recommended it for installation on student machines. It was a horrible decision. Its mediocre for protection (as the vast majority of individuals here have noted), but also suffers from some instability several months after instillation on some systems. On a nearly bare XP image, the program just errors out on Windows boot. I've seen this on a couple hundred Dells and at least 10-20 student machines.

I won't let it touch a machine.
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I stopped using AV software years ago.... defender works good for me... no problems yet. If you know what your doing you should not need any AV software anyway AV software just eats resources....
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If you use your brain, you cannot get a virus. Sometimes I think viruses do not exist at all, and are media anti-Windows propaganda sponsored by Apple (producer of obsolete OS for kids) and "security" companies. Haven't seen a single virus in 5+ years, last serious one was in MS-DOS and floppy disk era.

I do not download from warez sites, my email provider (as almost any other) has antivirus SW installed on POP3, plus antispam / antiphishing, so I do not see any reason to slow down my computer with AV stuff.

I switched off Defender as well and use my brain (and Opera) instead..
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