New C2Ds, what'll become of the old ones? - Page 2

Redeemed · 06-20-07, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ViN86

with regards to the pricing...

can you say "nail in the coffin" ?

Not necessarily. There is more going on here than what we have released to the consumers.

As of now, AMD own's the low end. If they can just bring that success up to the mainstream things will start looking up for them. Their Brisbane 3600 is a killer deal, and overclocks equally as well as a Core2 for the most part. 1200Mhz oc on air is quite common for that chip. AMD has something pretty awesome with Brisbane. Let's hope they can improve upon it enough with Barcelona and Agena to compete better.

ViN86 · 06-20-07, 03:32 PM

how do you compete against a $266 quad core that is close to your current (probably $500-600) quad core?

Redeemed · 06-20-07, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ViN86

how do you compete against a $266 quad core that is close to your current (probably $500-600) quad core?

If your comment is referring to the short term only, then I'll agree. Right now AMD is recieving an incredibly brutall butt-whooping.

My comment was directed at the near future products. Barcelona, Agena, and the GPU+CPU ordeal. Furthermore, if AMD does not manage to bring any really competitive products to the table, and IBM does buy them up- I'm extatic about what that would mean competition wise. With the resources IBM has available to it, IBM could buy up AMD, Intel, and nVidia. So, imagine if that was all behind AMD to compete with both Intel and nVidia.

The fierce competition that would result is like a dream come true.

Putting that thought aside, I do agree that right now AMD is hurting. But I'm confident that they'll release something positive with barcelona and Agena.

radekhulan · 06-20-07, 04:25 PM

IBM buying AMD? That cannot happen, but would be marvellous. IBM has its (megacore) G5 CPU as well, why should it buy AMD? No reason at all.. Plus they sold all their x86 business to Lenovo some time ago.

I am tired of AMD and ATI, they suck, cannot bring products to the market, and if they do, they suck even more (because they cannot lie about performance anymore). If CPU performance is good, chipsets suck.

But IBM would have my trust :-)

Redeemed · 06-20-07, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by radekhulan

IBM buying AMD? That cannot happen, but would be marvellous. IBM has its (megacore) G5 CPU as well, why should it buy AMD? No reason at all.. Plus they sold all their x86 business to Lenovo some time ago.

I am tired of AMD and ATI, they suck, cannot bring products to the market, and if they do, they suck even more (because they cannot lie about performance anymore). If CPU performance is good, chipsets suck.

But IBM would have my trust :-)

I only agree to your comment if applied to AMD's current state.

Look at the 1900XT, it is currently doing circles around the 7900GTX in newer titles. I'm hoping that just as ATi was looking to the future with the 1900 they were doing the same with the 2900. We wont know till the cards are tested in a native DX10 and USA environment.

As to the CPU... again we wont know for some time still.

As to IBM not buying out AMD... of course their past actions would make that seem unlikely- you'd be led to think that IBM would have no interest in AMD. Then again, nobody really thought AMD would buy ATi. AMD merging with nVidia seemed more likely at that time. We were surprised then, we could be surprised again.

I would also love it if IBM bought AMD.

A101Sugar · 06-20-07, 04:57 PM

IMO... what Intel is doing is a smart thing. They have been dominating against AMD and they know AMD hasn't had much coming out that beens that great, not to mention AMD still hasn't come out with their new line-up. By cutting prices, its making more ppl go with 775 and Intel... not to mention. Quad Core

more mainstream and affordable. Also with Penryn and 45nm quads which seem to dominate Barcelona, Why not make it known u have the best tech. out there, especially for the best price. AMD is going to have an extremely tough time cutting prices to keep up with Intel.

Dragunov · 06-20-07, 05:13 PM

Anybody knows if the new C2Ds gonna still use s775?

Maybe I gonna buy such a quad later on for my 680i

Joe Public · 06-20-07, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragunov

Anybody knows if the new C2Ds gonna still use s775?

Maybe I gonna buy such a quad later on for my 680i

Yes, all new C2D/C2Q will use socket 775.

Dragunov · 06-20-07, 05:51 PM

thx for reply

$n][pErMan · 06-21-07, 05:03 PM

I dont think the new 1333FSB will overclock any better than the current. Most current C2D's reach 1333FSB with almost no trouble and many go MUCH higher with some voltage and a good HSF.

**a12ctic** · 06-21-07, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by radekhulan

I am tired of AMD and ATI, they suck, cannot bring products to the market, and if they do, they suck even more (because they cannot lie about performance anymore). If CPU performance is good, chipsets suck.

Uhm?

The a64 dominated the Intel chips for 3-4 years with nothing coming close in terms of performance, their chipsets are just as stable as Intel and almost always have more features. The 1900XT mopped the floor with the 7 series as well...

06-21-07, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by a12ctic

Uhm?

The a64 dominated the Intel chips for 3-4 years with nothing coming close in terms of performance, their chipsets are just as stable as Intel and almost always have more features. The 1900XT mopped the floor with the 7 series as well...

?? It did? I remember it taking some benchies, but would hardly say it mopped the floor with the 7xxxs.

And which chipsets do you mean? AMD uses a few....

06-20-07, 03:32 PM	#14
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06-20-07, 04:57 PM	#18
A101Sugar Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: CA Posts: 292	Re: New C2Ds, what'll become of the old ones? IMO... what Intel is doing is a smart thing. They have been dominating against AMD and they know AMD hasn't had much coming out that beens that great, not to mention AMD still hasn't come out with their new line-up. By cutting prices, its making more ppl go with 775 and Intel... not to mention. Quad Core more mainstream and affordable. Also with Penryn and 45nm quads which seem to dominate Barcelona, Why not make it known u have the best tech. out there, especially for the best price. AMD is going to have an extremely tough time cutting prices to keep up with Intel.

06-20-07, 05:13 PM	#19
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06-21-07, 05:03 PM	#22
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