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Old 06-22-07, 02:22 PM   #37
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From what I've heard, you almost always want to run 1:1 on an intel system. If you have the FSB running faster than the memory, then the whole system has to "wait" for the memory.
there are some cases where dividers other than 1:1 have better performance in games.
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Old 06-22-07, 02:23 PM   #38
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I don't care about OC atm...I'm happy with my E6600 @ Stock. I am however, going to buy a Q6600 for some quad core goodness
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From what I've heard, you almost always want to run 1:1 on an intel system. If you have the FSB running faster than the memory, then the whole system has to "wait" for the memory.
it's true yo

i lol at the ppl with anything higher than ddr2-1000

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/...ory-guide.html
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/...ddr2-1000.html
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/.../ddr2-800.html

keep in mind that the only flaw with Xbit's tests is that they did not pay attention to the NB strap & latency, which may affect their results slightly.


regardless, we see the invested $ simply DOES NOT pay off

check it: I have 100 dollar sticks of 800mhz ram as of now. (I also have 1066 sticks, but got them very cheap at the time) Someone that spends 600 dollars on Dominator 1200 or whatever will see a 5% difference in performance for a 500% increase in price.
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Old 06-22-07, 11:43 PM   #40
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OR you want to run 500 FSB and be able to have tighter timings on your ram then get the better ram. The ram I have now can do 500 FSB - 1:1 @ 1000 - 2.0v with 4-4-4-12 easy.

400 x 8 1:1 @ 1600 FSB / Mem was @ 800Mhz Vcore 1.375 @ 3.2 - Idle-34c Load-54 (orthos)
SiSoftware - MEM = 7259/7285 <Tighter NB timings due to strap.
SiSoftware - CPU = 29380/20477
PCmark05 - 7421

401 x 8 1:1 @ 1604 FSB / Mem was @ 802Mhz Vcore 1.375 @ 3.2 - Idle-34c Load-54 (orthos)
SiSoftware - MEM = 6761/6769 <Looser NB timings due to strap.
SiSoftware - CPU = 29463/20523
PCmark05 - 7380

425 x 8 1:1 @ 1700 FSB / Mem was @ 850Mhz Vcore 1.425 @ 3.4 - Idle-36c Load-58 (orthos)
SiSoftware - MEM = 7172/7196
SiSoftware - CPU = 31203/21777
PCmark05 - 7595

450 x 8 1:1 @ 1800 FSB / Mem was @ 900Mhz Vcore 1.55 @ 3.6 - Idle-40c Load-71 (orthos)
SiSoftware - MEM = 7365/7385
SiSoftware - CPU = 33188/22560
PCmark05 - 7893

475 x 7 1:1 @ 1900 FSB / Mem was @ 950Mhz Vcore 1.425 @ 3.3 - Idle-36c Load-58 (orthos)
SiSoftware - MEM = 7814/7828
SiSoftware - CPU = 30532/21296
PCmark05 - 8528

500 x 7 1:1 @ 2000 FSB / Mem was @ 1000Mhz Vcore 1.5 @ 3.5 - Idle-34c Load-55 (orthos) < new fans
SiSoftware - MEM = 8186/8200
SiSoftware - CPU = 32119/22126
PCmark05 - 9846
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Old 06-23-07, 12:14 AM   #41
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Yep. Hopefully these new cpus will cause the current ones to drop in price as well.

I'd much rather have an e6600 than any of the other dual cores on that list. If you got an E6550 you'd end up spending twice as much on memory just to get a good overclock out of it, and even then, you'd need a killer motherboard.

To hit 3.5Ghz you'd have to have your FSB at 500Mhz. 3.6 would be a real stretch.
Exactly. However, at this point in time, I think an Allendale e4300 is a much better deal than the Conroe e6600. Lower fsb allows for easier overclock and less strain on the mobo and ram.

The newer batches of e6600 do not seem to overclock as well anyways. I personally don't think the extra 2MB cache warrants an extra 110+ dollars.
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Exactly. However, at this point in time, I think an Allendale e4300 is a much better deal than the Conroe e6600. Lower fsb allows for easier overclock and less strain on the mobo and ram.

The newer batches of e6600 do not seem to overclock as well anyways. I personally don't think the extra 2MB cache warrants an extra 110+ dollars.
My thoughts exactly. Don't let me even get started on people who bought E6700's
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Old 06-23-07, 08:06 AM   #43
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Those prices at the start of the thread seem mad cheap, even for batches of 1000 or whatever.
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Old 06-23-07, 02:18 PM   #44
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From what I've heard, you almost always want to run 1:1 on an intel system. If you have the FSB running faster than the memory, then the whole system has to "wait" for the memory.
What about if you have your memory running faster than the FSB?

For example 800MHz DDR II, with a 1066MHz FSB CPU (thats 400MHz for memory with 266MHz for CPU, real values).

Compared to the other way around? And compared to 1:1?
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Old 06-23-07, 03:29 PM   #45
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What about if you have your memory running faster than the FSB?

For example 800MHz DDR II, with a 1066MHz FSB CPU (thats 400MHz for memory with 266MHz for CPU, real values).

Compared to the other way around? And compared to 1:1?
Not sure if you can even set it like that. It probably hurts performance more than it helps though. If your ram is running faster than your system can feed data to it, it'd just end up waiting for the rest of the system to catch up.

If you arent overclocking, there isn't any reason to get anything faster than DDR2-667.
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Exactly. However, at this point in time, I think an Allendale e4300 is a much better deal than the Conroe e6600. Lower fsb allows for easier overclock and less strain on the mobo and ram.

The newer batches of e6600 do not seem to overclock as well anyways. I personally don't think the extra 2MB cache warrants an extra 110+ dollars.
How high are most E4300s getting these days with good cooling?
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OR you want to run 500 FSB and be able to have tighter timings on your ram then get the better ram. The ram I have now can do 500 FSB - 1:1 @ 1000 - 2.0v with 4-4-4-12 easy.
True about the lower latencies. However the invested money in higher speed RAM sticks does not pay off. My 8500 Dominators could do 800, 3-3-3-4, 1250 @ 5-6-6-18 (with 2.5 vdimm) Anything Micron based has a chance of hitting these insane speeds/latencies.

In all honesty though mullet, I respect all of your posts because you clearly know what you're talking about and have researched the FSB's effect on overall performance (I mean look at your last post! Great stats, temps, settings, NB strap@ 1600, etc.. ).

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Not sure if you can even set it like that. It probably hurts performance more than it helps though. If your ram is running faster than your system can feed data to it, it'd just end up waiting for the rest of the system to catch up.
You can. SPD will auto-force the memory's manufacturer rated speed. (also note there are tools that can edit RAM BIOS just as there are tools that can edit GPU BIOS) You can run up to a 1:2 ratio.


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If you arent overclocking, there isn't any reason to get anything faster than DDR2-667.
only 533 for 1066 conroes

read my last post here concerning memory above what you need:

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it's true yo

i lol at the ppl with anything higher than ddr2-1000

http://xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/...ory-guide.html
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/...ddr2-1000.html
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/.../ddr2-800.html

keep in mind that the only flaw with Xbit's tests is that they did not pay attention to the NB strap & latency, which may affect their results slightly.


regardless, we see the invested $ simply DOES NOT pay off

check it: I have 100 dollar sticks of 800mhz ram as of now. (I also have 1066 sticks, but got them very cheap at the time) Someone that spends 600 dollars on Dominator 1200 or whatever will see a 5% difference in performance for a 500% increase in price.
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Exactly. However, at this point in time, I think an Allendale e4300 is a much better deal than the Conroe e6600. Lower fsb allows for easier overclock and less strain on the mobo and ram.

The newer batches of e6600 do not seem to overclock as well anyways. I personally don't think the extra 2MB cache warrants an extra 110+ dollars.
I have mine at 3240 1.37volts idles at 29 prime at 46. This chip has a lot left in it but i just built this last night so easy for now. This is my first intel cpu. I have been so used to AMD the memory and fsb threw me off and the fact this is my first gigabyte board always used Asus,the memory speed feature took me a few attempts. Love these Conroes lots of fun.


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idles at 31 and 32 core 0 and core 1. That's about all i'm going to risk. great coolers those tuniqs are though.

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