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Old 04-02-03, 01:57 AM   #109
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Default re: lockups

I've tried both ways, using installer and extracting. Both ways install flawlessly. No errors listed in the XFree86.0.log file. I have read somewhere (too many windows to keep track) that it may be my MB chipset causing the problems. I'll check that also. Unless there are other options I'll post what I find when I finally get it working.
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Old 04-02-03, 02:08 AM   #110
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RUSTY: Options are discussed in the README.

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Old 04-02-03, 02:12 AM   #111
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For now, apparently disabling 4x agp in the bios and going with 2x solves the lockups. I'm sure it's board related, will post a fix for this board/chipset when I get it fixed.
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Old 04-02-03, 02:38 AM   #112
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Yea...

That sucks. I was a lucky one; with the GeForce 4600 in Windows, the machine was terrible. I mean, it would lockup on the damned desktop. Changing AGP to 2x didn't fix it. I installed all the "4-in-1" crap that NEVER fixes anything.

It's an older VIA board, with an AthlonXP chip in it. It's a 1700+, but it only runs at 1100Mhz because the board doesn't support 133Mhz bus. It was TERRIBLE with the GeForce cards. Always was. (The newer boards like in my 2200+ run the cards just fine in any OS.)

However, Linux runs the thing stable at AGP 4x, never locks up, runs games for hours and hours with no problems. Amazing. Who knows.

Fortunately for you switching to AGP 2x doesn't kill performance THAT much, and almost none if it's not a Ti/FX board.
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Old 04-02-03, 09:58 AM   #113
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Default ti1800SE, helpp X-window crashed!!

with new driver, whenever changing from X-window into console, either CTRL-ATL-x or reboot/halt the whole system is crashed, and it screwed up my mdk9.1 files, so i need to re-install my system again
anyone have any ideas??
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Old 04-02-03, 01:09 PM   #114
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bahamot: please start a new thread about your problem. It's very difficult to track problems and solutions in a long thread like this one.

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Old 04-02-03, 01:12 PM   #115
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Default Re: Re: Re: Still no good

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Actually, that's exactly what they want other companies to do. What with release cycles of six months to a year, this is the kind of thing you want your competition to do. Considering that the time it takes to reverse-engineer a card's features knowing only the full driver source is (at a guess) at minimum six to eight months, that's 6 to 8 months that nVidia has a jump on their competition. They can then use that time to make their own chips better.

While the competition is doing nothing but playing catch-up.
Uh, I would think NVIDIA would prefer their competition has no help at all when it comes to reverse-engineering and catching up.
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Old 04-02-03, 01:46 PM   #116
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So you think that having the full sources for a driver gives a clue how the cards work? Bzzt, wrong, sorry (at least from what I understand).

All it does is tells you which register locations to write to to get a certain result. The driver source contains nothing along the lines of "OK, this is how we laid out this part of the chip, to make this triangle pipeline faster". The drivers simply don't care -- all they do is write to certain registers and/or memory locations to get certain things done.

If the competition gets the full source for the driver, it won't help them clone the hardware. But my main point is that even if it did, it'd still take six to eight months to do it -- by which time nVidia's next generation cards will probably be out, or at least close to it.
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Old 04-02-03, 03:34 PM   #117
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Question little problem...

my system is an asus p4pe + gf4200 palit

installed 4349, great result!, bu with one little problem:

If I have the svga cable connectd on tv at boot time I can see the console on monitor AND on tv, but after X started I cna't return on console (black screen on monitor and blurry screen on tv), if the svga cable isn't connected all is ok.
Is there an option to avoid this problem?

P.S. if Your system lock starting X check if the borad is properly inserted, Mine was not and X locked the system with a black screen wit any version of the driver.
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Old 04-02-03, 04:38 PM   #118
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Default discovered my lock-up problem

it seems that 4349 drivers have the same problem for me that the 4191 drivers did. that is: complete lock-ups when using GTK applications (does this use 2D acceleration?).

However, this was running at AGP 2x, which my mobo and card should support (but i was forcing, since it automatically defaulted to 1x)
So now, I've forced it back to 1x, and it seems quite stable again.

works fine with either AGPGART and NVAGP at 1x.
AGPGART at 2x will run openGL apps, but GTK stuff is unstable.
NVAGP at 2x won't even start X - X logs report everything OK, but there's never nvidia splash screen.

Mobo: MSI K7Pro MS-6195 (irongate)
Vid: GeForce2 GTS

hopefully that's of some use.
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Old 04-02-03, 04:46 PM   #119
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dami0n: From the README:

o Irongate Chip sets with AGP 1x
AGP 1x transfers are used on Athlon motherboards with the Irongate
chip set to work around a problem with the signal integrity of
the chip set.

Because of this chipset integrity problem, it's not recommended to run at 2x, as you've seen with your instability.

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Old 04-02-03, 05:26 PM   #120
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wow. a new section of the README i've never seen before.
don't I feel like an idiot.

i guess i could've been running 4191 drivers since dec.

thanks.
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