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Old 07-22-07, 02:43 AM   #13
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Here we go again.


Auzentech is teh RULAZZZ!
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Old 07-22-07, 02:57 AM   #14
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I'm well aware that EAX is not a form of surround sound by any means, but Creative does want their customers to think otherwise- and that is more or less why I even mentioned it:

http://us.creative.com/products/prod...&product=16559



Also, notice to the right on that page, the Alchemy ad- it says "Get Surround Sound Back".

But yes, I am aware of and agree with everything you said. It is just with CL's marketing most people are unaware that EAX is not actually surround sound. Again, that is the only reason why I mentioned it.
Ah. Yeah, that and alchemy wouldn't really be necessary for EAX either if creative just did it in software. But then if they did that, creative wouldn't be able to make anymore misleading/unrealistic promises about faster framerates with their sound cards.

MS got rid of the sound HAL for a few good reasons. And now that dual core CPU's are becoming the norm, theres practically no need for it at all. In fact you are guaranteed lower latency without HAL these days.
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Old 07-22-07, 01:49 PM   #15
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Yes this IS getting off topic. The OP asked how he could hook up a reciever to his X-fi that he already owns, not go out and buy other hardware. Sorry if my question led to a tangent but it is kind of important to know how to get true 5.1 sound from the X-fi to his device.
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Old 07-22-07, 02:19 PM   #16
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Exactly what I was thinking...

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it is kind of important to know how to get true 5.1 sound from the X-fi to his device.
I answered that. See the very last sentence in my response to your question.
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Old 07-23-07, 07:04 AM   #18
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I answered that. See the very last sentence in my response to your question.
I know, and thank you very much btw.
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Old 07-26-07, 04:01 AM   #19
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Thanks guys, I've had to read the whole thread a couple of times cause theres lots of tech info here but heres where I've got so far:

1:- I already have a creative x-fi fatality (the one with the 64mb of memory). As it turns out, despite all the marketing and logos on the box, it is a "gaming" card and therefore has no decoding ability! I'm a bit annoyed at this... especially since I paid top money for what I thought was the best card.

2:- Despite (1), I've connected my x-fi (spdif) using digital coaxial to a phillips receiver (with built in dolby digital decoder).

3:- When watching HD-DVD or Blu ray... or most recent DVDs, the receiver display shows the dolby digital logo and summat like 3 2/1.

4:- The sound quality is awesome, and I am really happy with my rear speaker placement, but need to mess around with the placement of my front speakers as I'm sure they could be better (they are quite close together).
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Thanks guys, I've had to read the whole thread a couple of times cause theres lots of tech info here but heres where I've got so far:

1:- I already have a creative x-fi fatality (the one with the 64mb of memory). As it turns out, despite all the marketing and logos on the box, it is a "gaming" card and therefore has no decoding ability! I'm a bit annoyed at this... especially since I paid top money for what I thought was the best card.

2:- Despite (1), I've connected my x-fi (spdif) using digital coaxial to a phillips receiver (with built in dolby digital decoder).

3:- When watching HD-DVD or Blu ray... or most recent DVDs, the receiver display shows the dolby digital logo and summat like 3 2/1.

4:- The sound quality is awesome, and I am really happy with my rear speaker placement, but need to mess around with the placement of my front speakers as I'm sure they could be better (they are quite close together).
For speaker placement, your reciever should have settings where you can tell it how far each speaker is from the listener's position. That might help some in your situation.

Anyhow, glad to know you got it setup. I'm using a similar setup, except I'm just using onboard audio and an RCA reciever- the sound is awesome.
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Thanks guys, I've had to read the whole thread a couple of times cause theres lots of tech info here but heres where I've got so far:

1:- I already have a creative x-fi fatality (the one with the 64mb of memory). As it turns out, despite all the marketing and logos on the box, it is a "gaming" card and therefore has no decoding ability! I'm a bit annoyed at this... especially since I paid top money for what I thought was the best card.
I am not sure if you really meant decoding here, or if you really meant encoding.

Decoding of e.g. DTS, dolby digital, etc to analog outs isn't a terribly useful feature, as most DVD playback software will take care of that job anyways, and that job isn't really taxing on CPU time either. Many cards that do have decoding support in the hardware or drivers will flash all kinds of logos on their box, but don't be fooled as this feature can be had on pretty much any card, as there are numerous solutions for this.

Now encoding e.g. game audio in to dolby digital or DTS to be sent to your receiver, is a whole other thing. For whatever reason, creative is actively against adding this feature in spite of many consumer requests. There is one possible method for you to achieve this on a creative card, but it has a few caveats, such as added latency and a significantly increased CPU footprint for sound processing:

http://www.driverheaven.net/general-...3-encoder.html
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I am not sure if you really meant decoding here, or if you really meant encoding.

Decoding of e.g. DTS, dolby digital, etc to analog outs isn't a terribly useful feature, as most DVD playback software will take care of that job anyways, and that job isn't really taxing on CPU time either. Many cards that do have decoding support in the hardware or drivers will flash all kinds of logos on their box, but don't be fooled as this feature can be had on pretty much any card, as there are numerous solutions for this.

Now encoding e.g. game audio in to dolby digital or DTS to be sent to your receiver, is a whole other thing. For whatever reason, creative is actively against adding this feature in spite of many consumer requests. There is one possible method for you to achieve this on a creative card, but it has a few caveats, such as added latency and a significantly increased CPU footprint for sound processing:

http://www.driverheaven.net/general-...3-encoder.html
Errrr, I may have meant decoding. The trick Creative have done is to put dolby digital decoding in the feature list for this version of x-fi. However, when you read the tiny tiny print it says that its "using powerdvd" and they give you a cd with powerdvd 3 on it! Ok I was stupid enough to fall for it... and I have PowerDVD 7.3 anyway and it does the job, but I still don't approve of their marketing.
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Errrr, I may have meant decoding. The trick Creative have done is to put dolby digital decoding in the feature list for this version of x-fi. However, when you read the tiny tiny print it says that its "using powerdvd" and they give you a cd with powerdvd 3 on it! Ok I was stupid enough to fall for it... and I have PowerDVD 7.3 anyway and it does the job, but I still don't approve of their marketing.
Yeah, creatives marketing is extremely deceptive. And truth be told, EAX isn't really that innovative, creative just happened to be the first to get it to the market and patent the sh*t out of it, so nobody else can add effect functions to games but them.
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Yeah, creatives marketing is extremely deceptive. And truth be told, EAX isn't really that innovative, creative just happened to be the first to get it to the market and patent the sh*t out of it, so nobody else can add effect functions to games but them.


If another company had the resources, I'm certain they could do what they wished. EAX, for the most part, is nothing but extremely fancy (and if used properly) and accurate reverb. I'm sure if a new company with sufficient resources arose that utilized both accurate real-time reverb and true to the source sound placement, Creative could do nothing.

But really, who out there has the resources to create such? I'm sure the processing power to do all that would be insane. It'd sound awesome, but just wouldn't be feasible as the market for such is so small there would probably be no income after one considers operational expenses.

Oh well.
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