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Old 07-05-07, 07:06 PM   #1
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Default PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

Okay, I know allot of you game on widescreen monitors, do you ever say, I'm playing X game in HD or I'm running it in 1080p when your playing a PC game on a monitor or any kind?
Why I ask.
I've got this new friend at work, he's been in PC gaming for maybe a year or so. The guys never heard of Stalker but can't wait for Crysis if that tells you anything. Anyway we were talking about Lost Planet and he says, "I'm running it in HD on my 22" @ 1680x1050." So I say, "What kind of TV do you have?" He says, "It's my monitor."
First 1680x1050 isn't even an HD rez. When people say they're playing in HD, I either think they're playing on an HDTV or are total noobs to PC gaming. Now, when I get my PC hooked up to my new 32" HDTV, I will say I'm running X game in 1080i on my HDTV but I would never say that if it's a monitor, widescreen or not. I just hope this doesn't become the norm. Not when resolution like 2048x1536-7680×4800 are available.

HD is for HDTV’s.
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Old 07-05-07, 07:12 PM   #2
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

Yeah I am a little confused about the distinction (if there is one) between TV resolutions and monitor resolutions. So if 1080p is just 1920 x 1080 does that mean 720p is 1280 x 720? It seems to me like when you game at 1280 x 720, you don't exactly say you're gaming at "high res." But yet if you're watching/playing that game on a TV, it's suddenly in high definition.
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Old 07-05-07, 07:14 PM   #3
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

HD is all marketing hype.

1680x1050 is better than Xbox360 and PS3 resolution most of the time (hardly any games on consoles run natively at 1080p, but rather, are scaled up to 1080i/p).

Again, IT'S ALL MARKETING, and for what it's worth, gaming a PC monitor will look better.

LCD HDTVs are limited to 37hz if I remember correctly, and 1080i units are limited to around 30hz.
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Old 07-05-07, 07:27 PM   #4
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

So if you say have a Dell 24" monitor and you're playing a game at 1920x1200 you're actually at a higher resolution then 1080P.

If you have a 30" and playing a game at it's native res, your almost doubling the resolution of HD.
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Old 07-05-07, 07:31 PM   #5
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

Widescreen "HD" resolutions aren't that high res. 1280x720 is actually less detailed than 1024x768, you just get more picture horizontally.

1920x1080 is really not much sharper than the 1280x1024 you get on a standard LCD, there is just more picture being displayed.

Thats why I'm in no hurry to get rid of my CRT that does 2048x1536@85Hz. The closest widescreen res that'd get that amount of detail is 2560x1600... and not many displays can do that. Not to mention any video card today would probably choak at that res in a recent game.
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Old 07-05-07, 11:03 PM   #6
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

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Thats why I'm in no hurry to get rid of my CRT that does 2048x1536@85Hz. The closest widescreen res that'd get that amount of detail is 2560x1600... and not many displays can do that. Not to mention any video card today would probably choak at that res in a recent game.
Same here man. It’s awesome that we have HD movies and TV. I haven't picked an HD provider yet so I've just been using a little $50 amplified HD antenna and the picture quality is way beyond any cable or sat I've ever had. Stuff like that and consoles should be the only time HD comes up. It'll be cool to play to play a few PC games with friends on the big TV with wireless remotes but I would take a 21" CRT over almost anything ells for gaming. I don't even think I have enough desk space to fit anything over a 24" anyway. I play allot of games at 2048x1536; Anything Source, Stalker, COH, WIC, FEAR, Doom3, Quake, GRAW, Neverwinter2, BF2, TMU, NFSs, Flatout's, Rfactor, GTR2, LFS, FarCry, Riddick, Swat4 and anything ells made before all of those, most with 4xAA or higher. IMO they look better on my $300 CRT than they would on any$1600 LCD. .20mm pitch on the CRT compared to .25mm+ on LCDs. Response time, smearing and ghosting or flicker isn't even considered on CRTs. I guess if I lived in a really small cramped studio apt and my desk was only a foot deep I might get an LCD but I would still never say I play X game in HD unless I'm talking about my TV.
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Old 07-06-07, 02:14 AM   #7
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

Nothing more to add, the HD term was invented for 1280x720 movies and TV. 1920x1080 is called Full HD. So, you can say any PC game played on 1280x720 or more is played on HD.

But as Spoudazo and CaptNKILL said, on PC you get more real resolution.
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Sometimes if i'm wanting to see how my comp performs at those high rez sizes, i'll switch the monitor to HD input and play @ 1920x1080i, but there is a noticeable difference between the Monitor and HD side of things, Monitor being the Clearest viewing you will ever get.
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Old 07-06-07, 04:01 AM   #9
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

Yeah i just recently bought a 22" acer running at 1680x1050, took me a while to get used to it, because my old 19" analoge monitor was running games in 1600x1200, the LCD is a bigger screen, but looks a little chunky compared to the smooth analogue

Looking back, i shouldve spent a little more and got a 1900x1200 monitor, but that would mean upgrading to a vid card with 2 dvi interfaces.

Oh well, next upgrade
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Old 07-06-07, 06:19 AM   #10
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I totally agree that HD or terms like 720p are reserved for HDTV's.
They are most definitely not I don't where the confusion comes from but it's all pretty simply because the term "HD" is well defined.

HD applies to all resolution higher than SD (PAL,NTSC,SECAM) irregardless if it 720p/i, 1080p/i or even 540p. Contrary to popular believe your TV set doesn't need to support 1080p to be fully HD compliant.

To avoid compatibility problems there are however several requirements for different HD components (TV sets need to support widescreen, fixed resolutions and framerates --> 720p, 1080i/p and decoders needs to support the 3 HD codecs.)

It's different for PCs because PC hardware is more flexible and therefore more resolutions are available than with TV sets but all resolutions above 1280x720 in 16:10 are fully compliant HD resolutions.

The only term which is misleading is "Full HD" because it doesn't actually exist, it isn't specified. "Full HD" is a 100% marketing, biz term used to trick customers and now generally used for 1080p sets eventhough 720p-only sets are as much HD compliant as 1080p ones.
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I wasn't talking about terms like "HD ready" or "Full HD". Reserved is maybe also the wrong word, I didn't mean official norms or standards.

What I meant is when you talk about resolutions for PC games you normally don't use terms like 720p or 1080p unless you have a HDTV as PC monitor.
Yes, that's right. 'HD' is just a term for TVs which traditionally have had relatively low resolutions. PC users usually talk 1024x768 and other common resolutions. In the last few years 16:10 (similar to TV 16:9) wide screen resolutions have joined the mix. People with enormous PC monitors and equally enormous video cards talk 1920x1200. In ancient times PC users talked about EGA, SVGA and the like, but that was another era. Another thing to note is that until fixed resolution LCDs, monitors had quite flexible resolutions, it was just timing and dot pitch that limited effective resolutions. The power of the video card to actually render at high resolutions was the limiting factor.
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HD applies to all resolution higher than SD (PAL,NTSC,SECAM) irregardless if it 720p/i, 1080p/i or even 540p. Contrary to popular believe your TV set doesn't need to support 1080p to be fully HD compliant.
True, PC gamers were playing in resolutions that are consider HD for years before this HD erea started.
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