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Old 07-06-07, 10:33 AM   #13
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

A lot of 20.1" displays that run at 1680x1050 are known as xhdtv.

The x standing for extended, in a few games on the PC they support xhdtv and actualy make use of it. So with xhdtv you can actually see more of the game then you would on a normal size/res monitor.

Hope that makes sense
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Old 07-06-07, 04:23 PM   #14
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True, PC gamers were playing in resolutions that are consider HD for years before this HD erea started.
Yep. I've been playing games at at least 1024x768 since 1999 on a Voodoo 3.
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Old 07-06-07, 04:35 PM   #15
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Yeah i just recently bought a 22" acer running at 1680x1050, took me a while to get used to it, because my old 19" analoge monitor was running games in 1600x1200, the LCD is a bigger screen, but looks a little chunky compared to the smooth analogue

Looking back, i shouldve spent a little more and got a 1900x1200 monitor, but that would mean upgrading to a vid card with 2 dvi interfaces.

Oh well, next upgrade
No, 2560x1600 and other high resolution LCDs use dual-link DVI connections, but that doesn't mean TWO DVI connectionns for one monitor, else, some people wouldn't be running dual 2560x1600 monitors.
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Old 07-06-07, 07:25 PM   #16
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They are most definitely not I don't where the confusion comes from but it's all pretty simply because the term "HD" is well defined.

It's different for PCs because PC hardware is more flexible and therefore more resolutions are available than with TV sets but all resolutions above 1280x720 in 16:10 are fully compliant HD resolutions.
They are most definitely are for HDTVs only and I know where the confusions comes from, unfortunately it is uniformed people that think they understand what they are talking about. The term HD is well defined, you should read it.

HDTV, 720p, 1080p, 1080i are defined as Digital TV standards and have absolutely nothing to do with PC monitors. HD standards are also not 16:10, the current HD standards define 4:3 or 16:9 only. I have not and will not ever see a monitor with the label "HD Ready" or "Full HD" you know why, because they have nothing to do with computer monitors or graphics. Computer graphics have a completely different set of standards: UXGA, SXGA ,WXGA2, QXGA, QSXGA+, QUXGA. I don't see any HD mention there. There are no interlaced CRTs and there are no Progressive scan LCD monitors.

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The United States wanted to compete with the HDTV technology Japan was creating so they would not lose another electronics development battle. In 1987, the FCC established an Advisory Committee on Advanced Television Service. There main role was to decide which standard was to be used for future digital televisions. Of the 23 different systems that were proposed, the Advanced Television Systems Committee chose the new digital television standard that we use today. The ATSC standard (1920x1080 pixels, 16:9) has more than six times the resolution of the earlier NTSC standard (480 displayable lines, 4:3). This is currently the digital television standard in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, and South Korea. Even though this standard is respectively more advanced than previous standards, in the U.S. there are many policies and government issues based on frequencies (which will be discussed later) that are holding back the conversion of analog to all-digital broadcasting.
HD, TV only. Just because a monitor can do the same resolutions as an HDTV does not mean it is part of the HD digital television standard. I invite anyone to prove me wrong.
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Old 07-07-07, 07:39 AM   #17
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

I think Nvidia came up with the XHD term, for monitors using 1680x1050, 1920x1200, 2560x1600 or above.
Marketing again.

And I dont think we should confuse HDTV with HD resolutions.
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Old 07-07-07, 11:51 AM   #18
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

I think that you can take it how you want, when my PC is connected to my 42" I tell people that I play in 1080 but really I am just refering to the resolution. I dont tell people that my monitors are "HD" even though they are 1600x1200 which has a high pixel count.

And for those who say that an HDTV makes a crappy monitor....well I disagree, my Sharp Aquos 42" is a great monitor if I am at least 1.5' away from it. I play a lot of fast paced games and have not ran into any issues with ghosting. I would trade my 2-19" Dell trinitrons any day for another aquos.

Technically they are different.
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Old 09-06-10, 09:25 PM   #19
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I thought this would be a neat look back to 2007. I've recently found that due to changes in windows and in Nvidia drivers CRTs are no longer supported. Gee, I didn’t see that coming. I’ve talked about the enforced downgrade to LCDs and “HD” crap for some time.

I'm wondering, how many of you have downgraded to an LCD, plasma or whatever? Did you downgrade because you could no longer get your CRT to work right, wanted widescreen with less pixels, save some desk space or what?

I just upgraded or went sideways depending on how you look at it to Win7, Nv 2XX.XX drivers and found CRT support is gone, causing major refresh rate selection issues and problems with 3D vision. I'm considering duel booting back to XP or Vista. Maybe just returning the glasses until things like powerstrip starting working again to force refresh rates and resolutions in Windows 7 or Vista, I’m not sure if vista is the same as windows 7, the price of the glasses might even go down by then.

Right now my CRT is detected as an LCD in win7 and whatever the NVCP thinks is the native resolution is... that resolutions refresh rate is set as the max for every resolution, 85hz in my case, so I loose 100Hz up to 1920x1200 and 120Hz from 1600x1200 on down. I’ll return the 3D glasses and Win7 just so I don’t loose 2048x1536 buying a low resolution LCD.

Vista was fine with 197.45 but I'll need a new Vista key to go back since I sold mine.
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Old 09-07-10, 01:36 AM   #20
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I was forced to downgrade to a 24" 1080p because my 21" Trinitron went on the fritz and I couldn't fix it in a cost effective way, and I could no longer find any 24 FW900's... Whoever has them is NOT letting them go.

So I bit the bullet. It could be worse but now it's just become another random monitor in my collection.
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Typical Monitors

19" 1280x1024 = 1.31 MP

24" 1680x1050 = 1.76 MP

28" 1920x1200 = 2.30 MP


Typical "HDTV" Displays

32" 1280x720 = 0.92 MP

42" 1920x1080 = 2.07 MP


As I see it, monitors get more pixels per square inch than a typical HDTV anyway.
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Default Re: PC Games are not played in HD on Monitors, it's just widescreen, right?

What's with this talk about LCD's being a downgrade? A few things to point out:

Bad things about CRT's:
- Imperfect geometry
- Imperfect color
- Imperfect gamma
- Over time the corners will fade out of focus as the display ages, starts to occur within a year.
- My 21" CRT weighs more and uses more energy than my 46" LED backlit LCD
- Where the hell would I fit a CRT this large? (see pic)

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Typical Monitors

19" 1280x1024 = 1.31 MP

24" 1680x1050 = 1.76 MP

28" 1920x1200 = 2.30 MP


Typical "HDTV" Displays

32" 1280x720 = 0.92 MP

42" 1920x1080 = 2.07 MP


As I see it, monitors get more pixels per square inch than a typical HDTV anyway.
A common fallacy with resolution is that many people tend to equate higher resolutions with a better picture. In reality, whether or not you get a better picture depends on the size of the display, and how far away you sit from it.
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TV's brought new advertising jargon into the consumers mind with HD, FullHD, 720p and 1080p so the PC monitor manufacturers are jumping on that marketing language because consumers are already familiar with it.

I much prefer 16:10 aspect ratios for productive work, but I'm considering a 16:9 Dell U2711 27" simply because it fits just about everything I'm looking for in a new monitor plus 16:9 gives you a wider FOV in gaming (as I recently learnt ). I never wanted a monitor larger than 24" before because the res didn't go up until you got to 30" at which point they got too pricey for me. So this monitor with 2560 x 1440 will be great, I usually prefer higher res to larger size since it improves dpi.
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