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Old 09-10-02, 01:38 PM   #109
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I use all cards....

just happen to game mostly with pure nvidia users.

out of average 30+ people at the LANs I goto:

28 have nVidia cards
25 Have AMD CPUs
30 have mice and razers


I show up with an Ati card, downplaying AMD and kick thier asses with my trackball....

it doesnt get any better than that...

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Old 09-10-02, 04:42 PM   #110
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I use all cards....

just happen to game mostly with pure nvidia users.

out of average 30+ people at the LANs I goto:

28 have nVidia cards
25 Have AMD CPUs
30 have mice and razers


I show up with an Ati card, downplaying AMD and kick thier asses with my trackball....

it doesnt get any better than that...

When did people start buying skills? Do they come free with any of these products? No? Then what the heck does your ability to beat people who use other products have to do with anything?

ATI- Fine, I use Nvidia cause they have been good to me, and ATI has not

Downplaying AMD- What ever flots your boat. I use AMD cause it's cheaper. I used to use Intel, but then AMD started making chips that could hold their own. If you get off on having a P4, then have fun.

And the trackball... I don't know that last time I even heard that argument...

Thats it, this thread has officially gotten retarded. I am taking my ball and going home.
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Old 09-10-02, 07:37 PM   #111
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it wasnt about me being able to beat others...

its called I go against the freakin grain....


read a post properly before jumping to conclusions...

You are the instant fanboy since you replied that way......

defensive over a post not even stating that which you believe it says nor does it attack AMD or nVidia or mice users...

For reference, I use an AMD XP 2000+




read a little more into a post before getting all hussied up
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Old 09-10-02, 07:41 PM   #112
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bitch bitch
no no... ball, home.
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Old 09-10-02, 07:51 PM   #113
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NV40, your type of bias is just what this industry does not need, not that it will slow you down any.

How many video card drivers have you written? I ask, as you present yourself with incredible knowledge of such things.

I can break an NVidia driver as fast as I can an ATI driver and stay within the specifications of DX. Any decent developer could, but if you were a decent developer, you would know that.
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Old 09-10-02, 10:27 PM   #114
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NV40, your type of bias is just what this industry does not need, not that it will slow you down any.

How many video card drivers have you written? I ask, as you present yourself with incredible knowledge of such things.

I can break an NVidia driver as fast as I can an ATI driver and stay within the specifications of DX. Any decent developer could, but if you were a decent developer, you would know that.

point me to anything i have said is not correct ?


everything i told is from MY EXPERIENCE ,and from the experience
of a couple of friends who bought radeon8500 cards .

Nvidia is not perfect ,i know ,and sometimes there will be
bugs in their drivers or compatibility with some hardware ,but
i find very hard to believe the BS some people say here about
ATi and NVidia beeing the same in the quality of their drivers
out of the box . only ignorant people that know nothing of the past should say that .You dont need to be a gamedeveloper to know by experience what every gamer knows .. see?

i think Mr john carmack is a decent developer ,btw. and he says what
he thinks .For me it is clear that Nvidia have more experience in their drivers development team , and its clear also that ATi rush out their cards many times without beeing 100% ready for every kind of gamer or hardware..
Many gamers are aware now of this ,and some gamers are waiting
until ATi fix some of the bugs in New GAMES! before getting a radeon9700 .. see this ?

I think is a BIG mistake releasing a card with serious bugs
in their retail drivers that comes in the CD. see this ?
and this is exactly what ATi have done with the radeon 9700pro..
which retail drivers have serious bugs,locks in new games.

it is possible that Ati drivers in the future will be as good is not even better that the Nvidia ones,(nothing is imposible) but ignoring some Gamedevelopers or releasing a product
without even being ready for ALL GAMES /with serious compatibility issues with some non Intel harware is not the way ATi
will ever gain more credibility about the good quality in their products.

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Old 09-10-02, 11:02 PM   #115
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no no... ball, home.

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Old 09-11-02, 12:18 AM   #116
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The original GeForce256 drivers were horrid. The GF3 drivers at release were... um, slow. There are still games that have issues with the GF4 cards, there are some who still have infinite loop problems, and there are other bugs as well (CPU utilization, full screen DOS, etc.) in some configurations.

The point? NVIDIA isn't quite as "gold" as Carmack's "gold standard" would imply. NVIDIA's current drivers are quite good, and you know what else? So are ATI's. Nothing else is really that important, is it?
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Old 09-11-02, 09:07 AM   #117
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Nv40,

first of all I suggest you try a R9700 first before you make such post. I have one. No serrious issues. Yea there are a few quirks but so far so good. Also Skuzzy is a game developer, I would listen to what he has to say.
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Old 09-11-02, 06:43 PM   #118
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Nv40,

first of all I suggest you try a R9700 first before you make such post. I have one. No serrious issues. Yea there are a few quirks but so far so good. Also Skuzzy is a game developer, I would listen to what he has to say.

no thanks , i have seen enough experiences from friends
from internet ,have read enough comments from developers and from gamers about the ATi ways ,to even think for ONE second give a try .

even more when i have been always an Nvidia user since Tnt2 days
with 99% all the time with NONE issues in drivers or compatibilty


my next card will be probably an Nv30 or an NV35 ,not sure which one
because i already have a FASt rock solid Geforce4ti4400 ,and i have said i play all my favorites games at High details settings ,the only game that will make me upgrade is Doom3 ,which is another reason
to not go with the radeon9700 / which plays only at 640x480 to 800x600 resolutions in already very fast Intel processors
P4 2.2Ghz ,which is a Joke to me! BTW. (not going to spend $400 for
a card that will be obsolete in six months at High resolutions above 800x600 with all details high for Doom3) even it cannt play UnrealT2003 at highest detail settings (1600 x1200 AA+AF on!)with
decent framerates ..see?

how about the radeon9700 16bit support? did you know there
are thounsands of games roms that needs rock solid 16bit support?
how about 3dlinux drivers ? mmm..
how about the Powersupply issues ? did you think is
a smart choice buying a good 400+watts +new power for $100-$200 dollars ,the radeon9700 for $400 .?
How about the AGp8x support for non Intel boards? ahhh ?
it would be intersting to see how much money radeon9700 users
have spent in the upgrade .. because they way i see it ,
ATiRAdeon9700 shoul say in the box (PSU not included,no guranteed for agp8x ) see ?
How about the motherboard compatibility tread in Rage3d forums ?

you will be lucky if your radeon9700 have no compatibility issues
with you old Pc ,but Have fun waiting for incoming games drivers patches .... i have read enough info here ..

http://www.rage3d.com/board/forumdis...?s=&forumid=58

to know that ATi is not there yet ,at the level Nvidia is ,in the
drivers/ and hardware quality department ,any denial of this
is clearly a denial to see how diferent the two companies ATi and Nvidia works today ....

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Old 09-11-02, 07:41 PM   #119
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Man this is getting very tiring now. Mods, what are the chances of having a "Ignore posts by user" feature for this board?
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Old 09-11-02, 08:37 PM   #120
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how about the radeon9700 16bit support? did you know there
are thounsands of games roms that needs rock solid 16bit support?
The 9700 plays 16 bit games just fine, there is simply no option for AA at the present time.
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how about 3dlinux drivers ? mmm..
There are Linux drivers available for the 9700 (I believe they are done through the FireGL side of things)
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how about the Powersupply issues ? did you think is
a smart choice buying a good 400+watts +new power for $100-$200 dollars ,the radeon9700 for $400 .?
Yes, I think that having a decent power supply is a smart move for someone putting top of the line hardware in their machine... don't you? Or do you still use a hotwired AT PSU to power that Ti4400 of yours?
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How about the AGp8x support for non Intel boards? ahhh ?
ATI has offered to replace boards for users with this problem. A BIOS flash for either the card or the mobo will likely fix this issue in the near future.



Blah, Blah, Blah.... I don't think you seem to understand. You don't want a 9700? FINE. For others, it might be the perfect card. Arguing that it isn't won't make you right, and them wrong. You're simply wasting oxygen.
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