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Old 08-22-02, 07:44 PM   #37
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Radeon 9700 not all that?

Seems these sites would disagree.

http://mirror.ati.com/products/pc/ra...o/reviews.html
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Old 08-22-02, 10:14 PM   #38
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Radeon 9700 not all that?

Seems these sites would disagree.

http://mirror.ati.com/products/pc/ra...o/reviews.html
well of course not. they are linked from ATI's website they had better not agree!
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Old 08-23-02, 01:09 AM   #39
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The NV30 will be faster, but not by much, 20% at the biggest lead, and on average 10. nVidia isn't god!

Some of guys need to wake up, nVidia isn't going to pull anything. Sure the NV30 will be faster, and better, but not by the margin you guys talk about. It will be like Geforce3 TI500 to Geforce3.

The 9700 is a monster and is feature packed, and I doubt nVidia will have the similair video technologies as ATi.
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Old 08-23-02, 09:07 AM   #40
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well of course not. they are linked from ATI's website they had better not agree!

Hehehe yeah you`re right. Just had to put that link out there lol.
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Old 08-23-02, 12:52 PM   #41
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Paper launch of GF256: October 1999
gfsdr->gfddr was more like 2-3 months
SDR Reviews: November 1999
DDR Reviews: January 2000

gf1->gf2 was 6 months not 1 year

Launch of GF2 GTS: April 2000
gf2gts->gf2ultra was more like 4-5 months
GTS Reviews: April/May 2000
Ultra Launch/Reviews(?): August 2000

stop spreading FUD
Launch dates (to the best of my knowledge):

NV2 (Riva128): Mid Fall 97

NV2-ZX (Riva128ZX): February 98
TNT: Mid Fall 98

~ 5 months to "refresh part," roughly one year to new architecture.

TNT2: March 99
NV10 (GF256): August 99

~ 6 months to "refresh part," rougly one year to new architecture.

GF256DDR: December 99
NV15 (GF2 GTS): April 00

~ 4 months to "refresh part," rougly 8 months to new architectures (debateable).

NV16 (GF2 Ultra): August 00
NV20 (GF3): March 01

~ 4 months to "refresh part," roughly 11 months to new architecture.

NV20-Ti (GF3-Ti): October 01
NV25 (GF4): February

~ 7 months to "refresh part," roughly 11 months to new architecture.

NV28 (??): September?
NV30 (??): January?

~ 7 months to "refresh part," roughly 11 months to new architecture.

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NVIDIA historically takes roughly a year between new core architectures (NV10 to NV15, NV15 to NV20, NV20 to NV25, NV25 to NV30). What makes you think they'll be able to make the next core in only four months??
Show me the FUD. I stated that NVIDIA's "six month release" consisted of: clock bumped or memory improved part after six months, new core based on same basic architecture rougly a year later, and nearly two years between DX versions (for the past several chips).

The only variation was between the GF256 and GF2 GTS generations, but that's almost a refresh of the GF256. In that case (one out of seven), I was mistaken. It was closer to 3/4 of a year, not a year between core architectures.

Based on this trend, you can expect the NV30 Ti probably four months after the NV30 launch (March-April timeframe) and the NV35 late next year.

People who think the NV35 will show up this spring are simply deluding themselves. That was my point.
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That's about what I expect too, regardless of the features and performane nV30 bring with it. It fits pretty well with nVidia's track record that the immediate follow-on to nV30 would be a clock bumped, slightly massaged core Ti/Ultra series release, which would also address some of the nV30 chip errata. This was what happened with practically every chip they've released since the TNT1 first came out, though I'd tend to think of GF3, GF3Ti, GF4 as having done the massaging/fixing twice on one revision instead of the usual one revision then the new tech.. (I think it was most likely because the GF3 was itself a downscaling of the XGPU tech, and the GF3Ti's were a stopgap, since the market still didn't need the full GF4 capabilities at that point, though it was already completed. This also would have given them more time for the nV3x work, which was rumored to have been ready for tape-out late last year / early this year, but we all know how that's going now..)
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Old 08-23-02, 09:54 PM   #43
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the FUD is that you said the gfddr was a 6 month refresh and that there was 1 year between gf1 and gf2

i never said there was anything wrong with the rest of your data.

only errors were where i explicitly stated something like
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gf1->gf2 was 6 months not 1 year
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gf2gts->gf2ultra was more like 4-5 months
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the FUD is that you said the gfddr was a 6 month refresh and that there was 1 year between gf1 and gf2

Yes, I admitted that I made a mistake in one cycle over four years. Nitpick all you want... my intentions were certainly not to misinform anyone. My point was valid, my reasoning sound, and one error in my data does not dismiss my argument.

You took this original very simplistic listing: (NV10 to NV15, NV15 to NV20, NV20 to NV25, NV25 to NV30)... GF 256 DDR, GF2 Ultra, GF3 Ti, NV28... and made a big deal of the one case where "about a year" = 8 months, and "six month refresh" = 4 months.

In case you have forgotten, the whole point was to address the issue of some peoples flights of fancy in wishing for the NV35 to show up in the first half of next year.

No matter how you spin it, that's just not realistic.

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Old 08-25-02, 12:01 PM   #45
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Well if your going to wait for the NV30 (Jan or Feb) then when that comes I can say wait for the R350 or R400
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Well if your going to wait for the NV30 (Jan or Feb) then when that comes I can say wait for the R350 or R400
i believe one of the points is that ATI will almost certainly lower prices when NV30 comes out. are you guys made of money or something
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Exactly. You guys are right. The radeon is extremely fast. The nv30 will be extremely fast. But it seems to me that it will be a wiser choice to wait for the nv30, unless, you have lots of money and then you just get yourself a r300 and then the nv30. But i really think that the nv30 will be faster, But you know who cares if its 5 percent or 10 percent faster. GAmes wont use that speed for a long time. I really dont think someone with a geforce4 ti should be in a hurry to get a radeon 9700 though, unless you unnesesarily want to play a ut2k3 at 1600 and at 4x aa ect ect and all at 100 fps +.
Radeon 9700 to NV30 wouldn't really make sense. Why not get myself a Radeon 9700 and then a NV35 just 6-8 months later? That would be so sweet!!
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Old 08-31-02, 08:55 PM   #48
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I don't know what all this talk about waiting is. If we always wait for "Something just around the corner" we would all be running 2MB video cards.
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