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Old 08-07-07, 11:40 AM   #109
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They realized that "free" does not mean good, supported, secure, fast, functional. In fact, it is quite the opposite.
I keep hearing you make references to Windows being secure; I don't think you fully understand what "Secure" is.

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Old 08-07-07, 11:45 AM   #110
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I keep hearing you make references to Windows being secure; I don't think you fully understand what "Secure" is.

While we're talking about security, please read:
http://secunia.com/advisories/21808/
http://securityvulns.com/Ndocument431.html
Microsoft IIS: 3 advisories, 0 unfixed
http://secunia.com/product/1438/?task=statistics_2007

Apache web server: 34 advisories, 3 unfixed
http://secunia.com/product/73/?task=statistics_2007

Re: BLOG:CMS - not maintained anymore.. As many other open-source packages. They is why people select commercial SW. Plus anybody running with register_globals ON should be hacked..
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Microsoft IIS: 3 advisories, 0 unfixed
http://secunia.com/product/1438/?task=statistics_2007

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http://secunia.com/product/73/?task=statistics_2007

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You've convinced me. I'm converting to Windows now.
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Microsoft also produces 70% of the world oxygen in Remond, WA.
So the other 30% is made in India?
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You've convinced me. I'm converting to Windows now.
We've heard this one before . . . When are you finally gonna be cool like everybody else?
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Anyway, thanks for reminder. Devoted 20 minutes to that, and fixed all issues:
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/blo...se_mirror=osdn
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The whole 'caching' argument has been horribly misused every time a Linux vs. Windows Vista debate came up. Caching is not a new concept, it has been around in both Linux and Windows for a very long time (at least by the time of Windows 95). Just because the new Task Manager shows up the cached data doesn't mean it is a Vista-only feature.

What people really (wanted to) refer to was Superfetch, and the two Indexing service and ReadyBoost were the culprit of Vista trashing the HDD and abnormal RAM/CPU usage upon booting up. And I'd call all these 'features' stupid: while they (Superfetch and ReadyBoost) may provide a somewhat smoother experience, in the long run they do more harm than good.

The idea was Windows heuristically guesses what applications you often run and prefetch them when the system is idle. It is obviously useless when in battery mode, even in AC mode it marginally improve responsiveness (if any):
- It takes up several minutes *after* you logged in for the HDD and CPU usage to settle down. Most of the time your drive spends cycles loading unnecessary stuff: You will never load the whole game/music store/movies into RAM but a portion of them, reading them before hand is useless. With applications, perhaps, but please read the 2nd point.
- The system RAM risks being fragmented if you don't wait for Superfetch to finish its stuff (and I bet you rarely do), which leads to /worse/ performance.
- Most modern games (or heavy movie/music editors) require more-or-less 1 GB of RAM to run smoothly. Even if you have 2 GB of RAM available, upon starting these games, Windows has to flush whatever it's cached. After quiting the game, Superfetch has to 'cache' them all over again, for no *fscking* benefits.

Anyway, the main point stays intact: you can do whatever you please with much less RAM and processing power under Linux, Vista is a resource hog. The best Windows OS so far is Windows 2000. If not for MS enforcing Windows upgrades through dirty business tricks, I wouldn't be surprised most people would still be using Windows 2000 today.

Have phun burning your computer.


Burning my computer my ass- you just get off to penguins is all.

And Windows does NOT have to flush EVERYTHING cached in RAM if it has to load up an application. Furthermore, I notice no slowdown when exiting a game and returning to the desktop... according to what you said there should be as the HDD is loading stuff back into memory to be cached. And how does data continuously being cached in the RAM lead to a system "burning up"? It's far less stress on the rig than gaming... but of course for people like you anything you can do to piss on MS's newest OS.

And Linux CANNOT do anything. It can't game worth ****! He're- I'll spell that out for you: S-H-I-T! That's what any Linux distro amounts to from a gaming point of view. Furthermore, it lacks the overall functionality and ease of use that Windows offers. Kubuntu wont even recognize my digital camera when I plug it in. Should I really have to go into command promp and install the drivers for my camera just to transfer pictures? In Vista it literally took about 3 seconds for the drivers to be installed for my camera, after that the pictures were transfered to my rig without issue. All I had to do was plug my camera in, Windows detected it instantly and installed the appropriate drivers for it automaticaly.

In Kubuntu my Sietek Cyborg Evo joystick isn't detected automatically when I install it- I have to install the drivers manualy. Windows- just plug it in and within seconds it is ready to be used.

I like Kubuntu a lot, and I fully support Linux as an alternative OS- but it pisses me off to no end when trash heaps such as your self come on here and preach about how Windows is utter garbage and Linux is God's gift to man frikken kind. Take that bull**** and shove it up your ass. I don't want to fekkin' hear it.
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Old 08-07-07, 01:04 PM   #116
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linux really doesn't support PTP and MTP? wow thats pathetic
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Old 08-07-07, 01:44 PM   #117
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You seem to have missed my argument: It was about Vista being a resource hog and Superfetch is supposed to improve user experience when in fact, quite the opposite.

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And Windows does NOT have to flush EVERYTHING cached in RAM if it has to load up an application.
If that application is memory-hungry, Windows will have to flush it all (which happens to most modern games and media editing apps, unless you have a massive amount of RAM). Btw, 2 GB of RAM is unusual for normal user. How is that not a waste when most of the cached data gets flushed?.

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And how does data continuously being cached in the RAM lead to a system "burning up"?
Let's see... what's 'sarcasm' definition?. Why do you need to prefetch *most* stuff you won't use?. RAM fragmentation and cache misses will also lead to worse performance.

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It's far less stress on the rig than gaming... but of course for people like you anything you can do to piss on MS's newest OS.
Yeah, even when I backed my argument with valid points, not just from self experience?.

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And Linux CANNOT do anything. It can't game worth ****! He're- I'll spell that out for you: S-H-I-T! That's what any Linux distro amounts to from a gaming point of view.
Games that are developed for Linux (often cross-platform) often run better than their Windows counterpart. Do you want benchmarks?. Even games in Wine are anonymously reported to run better than in Windows. Who is to blame here?. Linux or game publishers?.

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Yep, there are a few problems here and there. But let's not congratulate Windows just yet: Most of the problems in Linux are the lack of configuration tools or hardware/software vendors, while most of the problems in Windows came from its monolithic design, which can't be easily worked around.

That means with some experience and patience, one can *legally* do most stuff for which GUI isn't available yet. In Windows, you may just pray someone to provide a specialized utility/hack. The result: Windows systems easily get infected with viruses/spywares and broken.


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Kubuntu wont even recognize my digital camera when I plug it in. Should I really have to go into command promp and install the drivers for my camera just to transfer pictures? In Vista it literally took about 3 seconds for the drivers to be installed for my camera, after that the pictures were transfered to my rig without issue. All I had to do was plug my camera in, Windows detected it instantly and installed the appropriate drivers for it automaticaly.
Is it a Linux's fault?. The Windows driver come with your camera, it's the *hardware manufacturer*'s fault to not support Linux. You are comparing apples and oranges here. The Linux kernel supports a massive range of hardware *out of the box* than every OS ever developed.

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In Kubuntu my Sietek Cyborg Evo joystick isn't detected automatically when I install it- I have to install the drivers manualy. Windows- just plug it in and within seconds it is ready to be used.
Without the driver CD, your joystick might be of use on my desk, as a paperweight .

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When have I ever said that?.
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fif0, you are preaching to the choir here. Anytime I mention anything about Apple or any of my experience with Windows, all the WinBoys call me a liar and preach about how perfect Windows is. I've just learned to let them act out.

I'm all for Linux and OS X, but Windows is the OS of choice around these parts.
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Games that are developed for Linux (often cross-platform) often run better than their Windows counterpart. Do you want benchmarks?. Even games in Wine are anonymously reported to run better than in Windows. Who is to blame here?
I want benchmarks and compatibility reports of the current top 10 PC titles. Let's just use Gamespot's highest rated.

1, World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade - Wine: Gold
2, Galactic Civilizations II: Dark Avatar - Wine: Bronze (no worky)
3, Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars - Wine: Silver (no multiplay)
4, GTR 2 - Wine: No Rating, No Worky
5, Company of Heroes - Wine: No Rating Again, Not Working Again
6, RACE - The WTCC Game - Wine: No Rating, Only Lists the Demo, I think I see a pattern here
7, Medieval II: Total War - Wine: Bronze, Not Working
8, Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War - Dark Crusade - Wine: NoRating/Not Working, hmmm
9, NHL: Eastside Hockey Manager 2007 - Wine: No Rating, Not Working
10, Supreme Commander - Wine: Bronze, Not Working

Basically, I'm calling your bluff. I don't even think a single one of those is cross-platform.

And installed on my PC right now:
WoW: gold
Fate: No Listing (crap)
Titan Quest: bronze (crap)
Guild Wars: bronze (crap)
Tribes 1: platinum (who would have thought it would be hard to get a 10+ year old game to run right, might have something to do with native Linux server support)
Supreme Commander: Nada (crap)
Painkiller: Platinum
Beyond Good and Evil: Garbage (crap)
Driver Parallel Lines: Bronze (crap)
Dungeon Runners: Garbage (crap)

Seems you fail at gaming on Linux unless you only want WoW or a 10 year old game that isn't very popular anymore. Let's not mention the huge string of work-arounds posted with each application review.

So I'll reiterate my point of this forum being dedicated to Nvidia cards which are mostly used for gaming, the platform of choice being Windows. Go figure. I think I hear crickets.
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Linux has 0.7% in Czechia, OS X 0.5%, Windows about 98% (the rest has 0.8%, see http://toplist.cz/global.html). Why in every discussion there must be a Linux fanboy, claiming his solution to world problems is the best? Market proves him wrong. Linux is available for free, and nobody wants it, people buy Windows and Office instead.

Even communistic Chinese government got fed up with "free" Linux and will start purchasing "capitalistic" and not so free Windows.

There is not a single thing that Linux does better on desktop than Windows. Who are those 0.7% people defending it? Do they get paid by Novell and RedHat?
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