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Old 09-19-07, 01:52 PM   #109
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Heres the problem with the spys being overpowered.

They are the ONLY class that can take out the other overpowered class. The Engineers. Those guns are nearly impossible to take out with anything other than a spy. If they nerfed spys, then it would just give Engineers even more of an advantage.

Scouts are not overpowered at all. IMO, they are perfect, as are most all the classes in the game.



Only balances I would do, is make turrets of engineers ever so slightly more vulnerable to bullets and making the spy cloak just a tad bit more visible. By tad bit, I mean EXTREMELY small amount. The fact of changing to look like someone else is perfect the way it is. Thats part of the class and should stay. Its the invisibility that gets you.

Other than those, perfect class balances I'd say.
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Old 09-19-07, 01:55 PM   #110
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But spies can't even backstab you while they are invisible... unless I am bugged lol :\.
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Old 09-19-07, 02:06 PM   #111
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But spies can't even backstab you while they are invisible... unless I am bugged lol :\.
Doesn't matter. Right now they are near impossible to see. This is completely fine if they keep engineer turrets as overpowered as they are.
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Old 09-19-07, 02:18 PM   #112
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Doesn't matter. Right now they are near impossible to see. This is completely fine if they keep engineer turrets as overpowered as they are.
As far as I know, they are completely invisible to enemies.

You can see friendly cloaked spies though.
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Old 09-19-07, 02:19 PM   #113
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No, I see the enemy spies sometimes... it is very hard but not when I give them a good whacking with the wrench.
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Old 09-19-07, 02:50 PM   #114
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As far as I know, they are completely invisible to enemies.

You can see friendly cloaked spies though.
No, you can see them. But it is extremely hard.
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Old 09-19-07, 03:10 PM   #115
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At the very very least they should bleed when cloaked. As it is, you can't even tell if you're hitting a spy when he is in the process of cloaking or decloaking, and when one disappears in front of you, you can spray the entire room with a minigun without a single sign of him.
One word: pyro. They may not bleed, but they sure run around like chickens with their head cut off when you sets them on fire
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Old 09-19-07, 03:47 PM   #116
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Turret reaction time is way too fast and powerful your dead before you know what hit you. But I do think they die quick, soldier / demo can rip them down.

I'm on the fence about spies, I don't wanna say nerf them until people get good at their classes. Maybe give one of the other classes a way to mark them when spotted for 10-20 seconds. Maybe spies should be able to tell an enemy spy when in close quarters (see his cigarette or something) lolz.
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Old 09-19-07, 03:58 PM   #117
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Game is simply fantastic. Spies can be a pain in the ass but I'm not sure they warrant a nerf.
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Old 09-19-07, 04:07 PM   #118
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Turret reaction time is way too fast and powerful your dead before you know what hit you. But I do think they die quick, soldier / demo can rip them down.

I'm on the fence about spies, I don't wanna say nerf them until people get good at their classes. Maybe give one of the other classes a way to mark them when spotted for 10-20 seconds. Maybe spies should be able to tell an enemy spy when in close quarters (see his cigarette or something) lolz.
agree 100% with what you just said.
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Damn if only the game didn't freeze up and random and force me to ctrl+alt+delete.
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Check your OC, the game is perfectly stable for me.
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